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Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 15:57

Yeah, I'm also feeling a little slighted.
Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 15:42

When feminist literary critics discuss sexist tropes in literature, including works by authors they openly admire, no one accuses them of attacking books, or people who read books.

When Anita Sarkeesian claims to love games, I believe her, not only because the evidence against is inconclusive, but because I've never heard of a film critic who hated movies, or a literature critic who hated books.
Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 15:36

>>Once you've painted a group negatively with gross misinformation, it's easy to cherry pick only the most hateful replies in order to feign shock and claim the problem is worst than you thought. It's a routine done over and over and over again by the Right and it's sad to the progressive's base adopting it.

See, now you're playing the victim, persecuted by academic criticism-- and how much cherry picking do you think it takes to get to the really hateful responses?

Your assumption is that criticism of a trope extends to the work as a whole, and by extension to the audience. That's how thinks work on Fox News, it's now how cultural criticism works.

Nobody hates you for liking video games. It's because you're a dick.
Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 15:25

Why don't you just watch and comment on some other video, Nominal? Everybody knows where you stand on this.
Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 15:24

I don't really have much of an opinion about Anita Sarkeesian as a critic, but I'm convinced that practically everyone who's complaining misunderstands her premise, and that's easy to do, especially on the internet, where there's rarely a distinction between criticism and trashing, either in perception or reality.

She's not saying what everybody thinks she's saying. She not using sexist tropes to say that a work is sexist. She's talking about the tropes themselves.



This article is key. You don't have to agree with it, but if you don't understand AnitaSarkeesian's work on its own terms, you don't understand it, period.

http://tinyurl.com/m2fabzs

>>There's a common trope of framing Sarkeesian's work as "cherry-picked", as she takes isolated examples from many games and presents them as a stream of misogyny in order to create the illusion that all of these games are entirely misogynist, the entire way through. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is Sarkeesian is doing with TvsWVG, and what cultural criticism in general is. These are tropes - they're fragments of a whole. By definition they don't make up the entirety of a work of art by themselves, but are instead definable cultural touchstones which artists, writers, developers etc, can use when creating a fictional reality.

>>In other words, Anita Sarkeesian only presents sections of games as sexist because she's only talking about the sexist bits of games, and how, of the tropes developers choose to put in their games when designing for female characters, they frequently fall back on sexist ones. Seriously, she couldn't be clearer about this - in the introduction to the very first video she says:

>>"This series will include critical analysis of many beloved games and characters, but remember that it is both possible (and even necessary) to simultaneously enjoy media while also being critical of its more problematic or pernicious aspects."
Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 15:20

Nominal, if you think my repeated comment about eating a bag of dicks was directed at all critics of Anita, and not to you personally, you've underestimated the depth of my feelings for you.
Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 15:14

I'm going to say this every time it comes up.

I don't really have much of an opinion about Anita Sarkeesian as a critic, but I'm convinced that practically everyone who's complaining misunderstands her premise, and that's easy to do, especially on the internet, where there's rarely a distinction between criticism and trashing, either in perception or reality.

She's not saying what everybody thinks she's saying. She not using sexist tropes to say that a work is sexist. She's talking about the tropes themselves.



This article is key. You don't have to agree with it, but if you don't understand AnitaSarkeesian's work on its own terms, you don't understand it, period.

http://tinyurl.com/m2fabzs

>>There's a common trope of framing Sarkeesian's work as "cherry-picked", as she takes isolated examples from many games and presents them as a stream of misogyny in order to create the illusion that all of these games are entirely misogynist, the entire way through. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is Sarkeesian is doing with TvsWVG, and what cultural criticism in general is. These are tropes - they're fragments of a whole. By definition they don't make up the entirety of a work of art by themselves, but are instead definable cultural touchstones which artists, writers, developers etc, can use when creating a fictional reality.

>>In other words, Anita Sarkeesian only presents sections of games as sexist because she's only talking about the sexist bits of games, and how, of the tropes developers choose to put in their games when designing for female characters, they frequently fall back on sexist ones. Seriously, she couldn't be clearer about this - in the introduction to the very first video she says:

>>"This series will include critical analysis of many beloved games and characters, but remember that it is both possible (and even necessary) to simultaneously enjoy media while also being critical of its more problematic or pernicious aspects."
Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 14:48

Yes, it's those nasty radical feminists, marching in the streets with their half hour video lectures. BEWARE THE PLAID PERIL!
Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 14:22

Define "defend".

I watched one of Anita Sarkeesian's videos, and found my agreement and disagreement was about 50/50.

But I promise you, not one of these fussy manbabies has a clue what these videos are saying, and I have a big problem with personal attacks and character assassination passing for "criticism". Never mind the threats.

Fuck you, Homer. Get a blog.
#GamerGate - Where We Stand
09/18/14, 14:02

This was supposed to be posted on an entirely different page.
#GamerGate - Where We Stand
09/18/14, 14:00

Can anyone tell me if Caminante Nocturno is serious.

By the way, Cam, you were right about the reply button being a brain teaser to me. Like right now. God knows where this will end up.

Wel, it looks like the Right Wing has officially reached the bottom of the barrel.
Slovenly Neckbeard Whines About Having to Work on his Anti-Sarkeesian Documentary
09/18/14, 13:41

The monkey gets old, but putting this guy's bitching of this guys images of the treatment of Anita is nicely done.
Kanye Sydney wheelchair 'incident'
09/18/14, 11:12

http://youtu.be/siiNiX5-zAk
#GamerGate - Where We Stand
09/18/14, 11:12

http://youtu.be/siiNiX5-zAk
20th century tumpet
09/18/14, 10:28

You, sir, are Hitler.
#GamerGate - Where We Stand
09/18/14, 10:06

>>And also I'm married with a child so people who agree with Nominal are not all lonely and sad adham.

You're married to a child? That's fucked up!

Seriously, I have to agree with this. The lonely basement dweller thing is pretty old. You are a lonely basement dweller = You are Joseph Goebbels.

For the record, I live in an attic with a ridiculous number of cats, so I am the opposite of a lonely basement dweller!
#GamerGate - Where We Stand
09/18/14, 09:53

The standard argument from #GamerGate is: You were paid to disagree with me with sex from Zoe Quinn.
#GamerGate - Where We Stand
09/18/14, 09:49

Sorry that you don't think this is any fun, but that's not my problem. Why don't you submit more videos?
#GamerGate - Where We Stand
09/18/14, 04:09

>>> In an attempt to come off like they somehow have nothing to hide, the reddit group releases all kinds of info they apparently think will make them look like the victims of all this and instead end up release all sort of chatlogs that reveal a near endless campaign of vitriol and misogynistic hatred directed towards her and other female figures in gaming despite their claims this had nothing to do with being hateful towards women.r

Zoe Quinn monitored the chat for three days and released her records. The group released the chat logs later.

>>Websites that talk about video games spent the last few years badmouthing their readers for the sake of people who walked right out of a Portlandia sketch, and now that they're paying for it, they've decided to go out in a blaze of hurt feelings and college-level moral grandstanding.

If these entitled bitches are their readers, I'm pretty sure they were blocking the ads anyway.
#GamerGate - Where We Stand
09/18/14, 01:59

(ps- it IS just a bunch of misogynists idiots being misogynistic, not anything more complex. Just like a racist being pissed at a black person doesn't have underlying nuance or redemption to it)

Redemption isn't the point. They're behaving horribly, and nothing is going to make their behavior less horrible, but it might occasionally make communication possible.

Regarding Anita Sarkeesian, if they hadn't started the hate campaign months before the first video was uploaded, I'd be a lot more sympathetic. Feminist criticism is not easy to understand, especially in the context of the internet. I'm not an expert, nearly everything I know I learned from an excellent article in the New Statesman that I read over the weekend.

>>>There's a common trope of framing Sarkeesian's work as "cherry-picked", as she takes isolated examples from many games and presents them as a stream of misogyny in order to create the illusion that all of these games are entirely misogynist, the entire way through. That's a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is Sarkeesian is doing with TvsWVG, and what cultural criticism in general is. These are tropes - they're fragments of a whole. By definition they don't make up the entirety of a work of art by themselves, but are instead definable cultural touchstones which artists, writers, developers etc, can use when creating a fictional reality.

>>>In other words, Anita Sarkeesian only presents sections of games as sexist because she's only talking about the sexist bits of games, and how, of the tropes developers choose to put in their games when designing for female characters, they frequently fall back on sexist ones. Seriously, she couldn't be clearer about this

>> in the introduction to the very first video she says:

" This series will include critical analysis of many beloved games and characters, but remember that it is both possible (and even necessary) to simultaneously enjoy media while also being critical of its more problematic or pernicious aspects."

Try to comprehend that last paragraph. She's repeated this disclaimer more than once. She's not saying that the games are bad. She's not saying that you shouldn't have your fun. Gender messages are everywhere in everything, in bad art and good art. Therefore, identifying gender tropes in art doesn't make the art bad. It's not necessarily about destroying everything. It can be about reconciliation and new understanding, filtering out the bathwater and leaving the baby alone. I once read about about a feminist critic who spent years identifying sexist tropes in the work of an author she openly admired.

There's been feminist literary and film criticism for generations, but as far as I know no one has ever lost their shit because of this and became convinced that critics were out to destroy books or movies. Also I've never heard of a literary critic that didn't love books, or a film critic that didn't love movies. The fact that she hasn't mastered all the details and nuances of playing every game that she discusses doesn't mean that she doesn't like games.

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