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NIN release brutal new song
08/22/13, 11:04

Someone slipped him about fifty million dollars and an offer for a few million more if he came out of retirement.
Stand Up to 'Stand Your Ground'
08/22/13, 10:53

I'd also like to add that the gun control comment is not directed towards anyone here in particular. It is unarguably true that the Zimmerman case is being leveraged by gun control advocates; and why wouldn't it be? This is the way public discourse works - events happen, events get spun, maybe for a good cause, maybe for a bad. But if wanting to ban guns is not something that applies to you, then it's not something that applies to you.
Stand Up to 'Stand Your Ground'
08/22/13, 10:38

(and I agree with you that fleeing rather than taking a life is what you SHOULD do. But what you should do, ethically speaking, is not necessarily the same thing as what you should be forced to do, legally speaking)
Stand Up to 'Stand Your Ground'
08/22/13, 10:36

Bort - Right, but whether or not you can "safely disengage" from a given situation is pretty open to debate, especially in cases where there are no witnesses, such as the Zimmerman trial. Could George have "safely disengaged"? Could Trayvon? They were in public, not in their homes, so, maybe, yes, who knows? If the legal question we're hinging on is, "could you have disengaged when your life was in danger?", then you're either going to have to assume good faith in nearly all circumstances (rendering a non-SYG self-defense law functionally no different from a SYG one) or presume bad faith and shift the burden of proof to the defendant to the show why he's not a murderer. Furthermore, such a law places an unreasonable burden on people whose lives are in jeopardy; when one is faced with a life or death situation in which he is not the aggressor (the only situation in which, to my knowledge, SYG validates self-defense) is it really fair to ask regular citizens to take a minute to gather their thoughts and assess whether they could safely run away?

The only thing that should matter in a case like this, assuming that we're like Bort in supporting gun rights, is whether or not the defendant's life was in danger at the time he made the decision to use lethal force. (if your life is NOT in danger, then even under Stand Your Ground, it's not considered self-defense, it's considered murder) Now, if this makes it harder to prove murders, well, yes! Good. Murders *should* be hard to prove.
Marx Toy Rifle Commercial
08/22/13, 09:50

According to the Marxist theory of the state, the army is the chief component of state power. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army. Some people ridicule us as advocates of the "omnipotence of war". Yes, we are advocates of the omnipotence of revolutionary war; that is good, not bad, it is Marxist. The guns of the Russian Communist Party created socialism. We shall create a democratic republic. Experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches us that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the labouring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed.

...Every Communist must grasp the truth; "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
Stand Up to 'Stand Your Ground'
08/22/13, 09:33

If it's just "we want to ban all guns", then the least we can do is say so directly.
Stand Up to 'Stand Your Ground'
08/22/13, 09:30

Normally, I wouldn't ask a question like this on the internet, because we all know the level of discourse one expects to find online. But PoE is a really smart community, and I respect all of your opinions (even twatwaffles like Change! j/k brohoof). We here tend to be brighter, more mature, or at the very least more amusing than your average internet-addicted sociopathic dorks. If anyone can help me sort this out, it's you guys. So... what, exactly, is wrong with Stand Your Ground?

I'm not sure of the precise wording of this law. But it's my understanding that Florida's Stand Your Ground law states, in effect, that people who use a gun in self-defense are presumed to have done so *in self-defense*, and the burden of proof in such cases is on the police to show that the suspects acted without proper cause. In other words, the police can't simply arrest and convict you for murder, unless they can show that you've actually committed a murder. It's not on you to prove your own innocence, it's on the authorities to prove your guilt. This law simply restates the principle of presumption of innocence.

Frankly, I don't even see why you'd need a law like that in the first place, presumption of innocence being the single most critical facet of our legal system. It's true that these days, certain legal cases (Zimmerman, OJ Simpson, Michael Jackson, etc) receive a "trial by media" in which the defendant is considered guilty until proven innocent, and lynched in effigy by the mob because, well, because it's fun and it brings ratings and we ALL KNOW OJ DID IT. In this sense, I guess one could argue that presumption of innocence is already dead, an archaic reminder of a time before society became truly civilized, thanks to the efforts of our increasingly sophisticated security state. But media trials are not legally binding, and regardless of how convinced the rest of us are that a given celebrity convict is guilty, actual jurisprudence still comes down to the old, boring standard of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Is there something I'm missing here?

Now I agree with the majority decision that Zimmerman is a cunt. He's a petty martinet who should not have killed Trayvon, and the entire affair was a tragedy from start to finish. But the law, as I understand it, is perfectly reasonable.

Just as a thought experiment, consider: what if the situation had been reversed? What if Trayvon had managed to get the gun away from Zimmerman, and shot the bastard dead? Would we be still be happy throwing out the law? Should the police have declared Trayvon a murderer at the scene, and left it to his public defender to prove Trayvon's innocence (which we all know wouldn't have happened, not in our legal system, not with Trayvon being young and black)? Had Trayvon killed Zimmerman that night, should he have been sent to prison for life, because a paranoid society was beginning to make exceptions to the principle of presumption of innocence?
Oklahoma College Student Gunned Down By 3 Teens Out Of 'Boredom'
08/21/13, 16:43

Video games give psychopaths a healthy way to release pent-up frustrations. Why go through all the hassle of murdering one person in real life, when you can flip on your PS3 and murder hundreds from the comfort of your own couch?
Oklahoma College Student Gunned Down By 3 Teens Out Of 'Boredom'
08/21/13, 16:17

Hopefully the media will declare these kids guilty before the trial even begins, and white people will start dressing in jogging suits as a sign of solidarity. Of course, then we'll have to ban jogging, because who knows what trouble joggers could cause, with their running about in public spaces and all; but really, what price can you put on our collective safety?
Oklahoma College Student Gunned Down By 3 Teens Out Of 'Boredom'
08/21/13, 16:09

Video games and movies, no. But that all that horrid rap music they listen to?

If only young people listened to Michael Buble, none of this shit would ever happened.
Denver, the last Dinosaur
08/21/13, 15:16

(if you're really curious, at 32:30 a scientist reveals that Denver is a previously unknown species of dinosaur, the Funtasaurus)
Denver, the last Dinosaur
08/21/13, 13:43

Also, maybe I'm missing something here, but what exactly is wrong with Morton Fizzback's plan? He wants to put Denver in a badass rock band and send him on tour to Japan. JAPAN. ON TOUR.

All those selfish kids want to do is keep Denver locked in a fucking gym all day and then stare at him after they leave school. They don't even offer to FEED Denver, for craps sake. But Mr Fizzback, fat and pedo-looking though he may be, he wants to give Denver a job. A really sweet job! So, it's either a life of loud guitars and snorting coke off the tits of Japanese strippers, or... get locked in a fucking gym by a bunch of asshole teenagers who think they "own" you.

WHY are we supposed to side with the kids?!
Denver, the last Dinosaur
08/21/13, 13:06

How did Denver know what a football lineman does, two minutes after hatching?
Denver, the last Dinosaur
08/21/13, 13:04

He's a Partysaurus Rox, the gnarliest of all dinosaurs.
Oklahoma College Student Gunned Down By 3 Teens Out Of 'Boredom'
08/21/13, 08:45

The "white" kid is most likely a high yellow mulatto. I can tell by the shape of his nose, and by the fact that his middle name is "Dewayne". Hopefully the race scientists over at Chimpout will be able to confirm my suspicions by the end of the day.

Because really, this is about race and gun control, not about stupid teenagers killing a guy.
Listen mate, I'm trying to record this..
08/21/13, 07:36

I WANT TO KILL GOOKS. GOOKS. GOOKS.
Oklahoma College Student Gunned Down By 3 Teens Out Of 'Boredom'
08/21/13, 07:27

Those teens were obviously hepped up on Mortal Kombat.
Oklahoma College Student Gunned Down By 3 Teens Out Of 'Boredom'
08/21/13, 07:26

Moriarty is behind this. And Holmes, he may be hunting the killers, but is he really so different?
MTV segment on Lollapalooza 1995
08/20/13, 20:23

You're an old man, Mister Steel.
Worst Movie Scene of All Time (Spring Breakers 2013)
08/20/13, 19:55

The Deer Hunter.

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