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John Grisham on adults who look at child pornography
10/17/14, 09:21

13.5, Re: (2), did you ever see Louis Theroux's "A Place For Pedophiles"? Theroux is hardly sympathetic and I don't think his purpose was to press for reform, but it's impossible to watch that documentary and come away without disgust for civil commitment. If you want to send a man to prison for life, then send a man to prison for life. Give him due process. Don't use extra-legal measures to dodge the law and keep him detained forever!

Also, you raise some very good points in (1). Sort of like political aikido, then? You use the American public's capacity for indignation and turn it against them, by calmly redirecting it's flow towards a new target?
John Grisham on adults who look at child pornography
10/17/14, 07:54

Hear hear.
Peaceful Ferguson Protesters Assault Fellow Protester Wearing a Fedora
10/17/14, 07:50

Oh of course. Thank you!
Minuteman launch
10/17/14, 07:42

Human civilization certainly, but the end of all life, or even most life? As chumbucket says, that is doubtful. Studies done in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone have found that life is actually a great deal more resilient than science had previously assumed; it's not merely extremophiles, even large, complex organisms, like wolves and songbirds, can survive (even flourish!) in highly irradiated areas. Cities would probably be rendered fairly uninhabitable, due to the slurry of toxic industrial chemicals that would leak out everywhere, but there's good reason to suspect that much of the planet would bounce back within a few decades of our demise.
Would Atheists Drink Their Dad's Sperm? #AtheistLogic
10/17/14, 04:44

Also, while his argument against the sociobiological view of evolution as the primary driver behind the development of morality is very simplistic and somewhat misses the point (sharks like to rape because they do not live in social groups, and hence have no evolutionary pressures selecting for sharks willing to engage in cooperative behavior), it is true that evolutionary perspectives on morality cannot give "weight" to moral behavior, certainly not the way Allah (جل جلاله ) can. Sociobiology is merely the *mechanic* by which consequentalist morality may gradually arise through decentralized social consensus. It cannot, in and of itself, tell us what *must* be the correct behavior, simply what the historical methodology for determining this might be. This is, of course, a great concern to anyone who would posit not just to know what the optimal moral code might be, but more importantly, to claim the authority to force this moral code on the rest of society!
Hans Mole Man
10/16/14, 20:26

I really didn't like Gil. I thought I did, at first, but when this video came on, and I started going over all the background characters on the show, which ones I liked, which ones I didn't, thinking about Ol' Gil made me feel a little angry.
Would Atheists Drink Their Dad's Sperm? #AtheistLogic
10/16/14, 20:22

Same. Like the banana, it's too perfect to be a coincidence.
Peaceful Ferguson Protesters Assault Fellow Protester Wearing a Fedora
10/16/14, 20:20

It's more awful than expected, there are clearly some monkeyshines at work here. If I had to guess I'd say the traffic is coming from Chimpout, but I can't find any mention of this video on their forums; maybe Chimpout's got a SubReddit I don't know about?
Hans Mole Man
10/16/14, 17:59

Hans Moleman is one of my favorite The Simpsons background ponies. I don't think he's ever been in a bad bit, and if he has, please don't correct me.
Would Atheists Drink Their Dad's Sperm? #AtheistLogic
10/16/14, 17:45

His arguments are pretty solid up until he got to consequentialism. At that point, he seemed to just roll over and admit that Islam is silly and fucking your sister is good.

I wouldn't drink my dad's comeuppance, because neither of us would enjoy that (I hope) and at any rate he got his tubes tied so he can't produce anymore. But if Habib ibn Councilflat has a swinging family and a thirst for the burst, who am I to judge? It's gross and I will laugh at you if I find out you did this, but no more evil than that.
Would Atheists Drink Their Dad's Sperm? #AtheistLogic
10/16/14, 17:36

The Caliphate is going to be awesome!
John Grisham on adults who look at child pornography
10/16/14, 16:22

Claiming that legitimization leads to action is immaterial. Even if it were true, and to the best of my knowledge there has been no evidence that this is actually the case, the law cannot (or perhaps, should not) be structured in such a way so as to punish *potential* crimes! Punitive measures are to be used against someone who _has_ committed a crime, not someone who _might_ commit a crime, particularly if the evidence for said criminal conspiracy is completely conjectural. Unless, of course, we're living in a Phillip K Dick novel!

As for your friend's idea that ready access to CP reduces the likelihood of abuse (by "sublimating desire" or however else he wants to put it), that is also a controversial statement, and as before, whether it's true or not is ultimately immaterial. It does, however, have a growing body of evidence behind it, unlike the proposition that CP leads to abuse.

"Consumption drives production" is not the same as "production drives consumption" i.e. you're tacitly admitting that certain people WANT to consume CP, regardless of it's accessibility, and they don't need to think of CP as being "normalized" in order to act like creepers. A more important factor to consider is that consumption and production will always exist, regardless of legalistic blocks - here, we dive into the classic problem of prohibition. I don't think I need to elaborate on why prohibition fails; we as a community all seem to know it is true. There are no Nancy Reagans here!

Now that is not to say that I'd argue that hardcore CP should be decriminalized, far from it, particularly not it's production! But I put it to you: where is the harm in lolicon? Where is the harm in NN cheesecake threads on Reddit? Where is the harm in letting John Holmes Motherfucker spend his evenings curled up on the couch with his cats, watching his favorite Boxxy videos, lost in her pretty young smile?! Nevermind the Constitutional arguments (the Constitution DOES protect the individual's right to lolicon, regardless of what some redneck judges might say), just think of how much better off we'd be if everyone who wanted to videotape themselves diddling their stepkids went out and drew some pictures instead.

Finally, it bears pointing out that Mr Grisham's "friend" (EH note- is that code for Mr Grisham himself?) was busted in Canada, a nation which has notoriously backwards thought policing laws, many of which would not pass muster even in Texas. Furthermore, if Mr Grisham's account is true, he was caught perving on sixteen year-olds. It is not clear how explicit the material he accessed was (although admittedly, it sounds fairly explicit based on Mr Grisham's statements; if it was hardcore material, then I'd be more than willing to support his sentence, the rest of my points notwithstanding), but let us not obfuscate the issues: I'm sure we can all agree that there is a world of difference between sixteen year-olds (who are in their biologically-defined prime, and legally above the age of consent throughout all but the most recent years of human history, and in most nations on earth even today, just not Canada nor the United States) and, quote, "ten year-old boys", a somewhat homophobic statement but nevertheless quite true. One cannot trivialize abuse by pointing out the truth.

*Child abuse* is a big deal. That is why we had these laws in the first place, to seek restitution for abused children. Porn itself is only a big deal in so far as it relates directly to abuse; the further we slip away from that understanding, the more we widen our nets looking for ever-more-cunningly concealed witches, the worse things will get for everyone involved, and the harder it will be to accept social change when it comes.



But yeah, I do agree with one thing il fiore bel said: drunkenness is not an excuse. I think most of us here have gotten drunk plenty of times without looking up CP.



I'm serious about that, BTW. A friend of mine died of AIDS some years back, contracted from his stepdad, who'd raped him repeatedly when he was twelve. While I'd love for that particular shitheel child molester to get lynched, it'd also be nice if future child molesters had better outlets for their sick-fuckery than actual kids.
Surveillance Camera Man 8
10/15/14, 17:59

But that's just it: we needn't feel guilty. The soma's not the problem. It's all the hoops we have to jump through to *get* the soma that is the problem! Or rather, it's all the hoops the Johnny-come-lately soma vultures want us to jump through, because really, there is no earthly reason why we have to pay for the party, at least not like this.

Jake the Dog would be rolling over in his grave, if he was dead, and if he were real. We've got all this amazing technology that can show us such beautiful things, but now along comes the big red dudes to stick us all back in our boxes, where we belong. It's a fucking shame is what it is.
Surveillance Camera Man 8
10/15/14, 10:28

The reason I asked is because I read a really depressing business/op-ed piece this morning:

http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/parsing-panera-could-a-name-your-own-price-model-work-for-news/

There's a lot wrong with that article, but the key point, specifically in regards to this topic, is the consequence Ms Garber's proposal would have on privacy, were it to be adopted by businesses. I've long been interested in the possibilities of PWYW schemes as a way of promoting voluntarism, combating centralization, and empowering consumers by giving them more direct democratic control over market prices, control which they've lost since the rise of industrialization and the death of price negotiation ("haggling"). Unfortunately, Ms Garber's proposal pretty much torpedoes any hopes we might have of PWYW being a force for "good": to summarize briefly, her argument is that businesses should offer consumers PWYW schemes *in exchange for* the consumer's right to privacy! In other words, you may pay whatever you want, just so long as The Panopticon can show the entire world your economic behavior.

It's not hard to see how this can go wrong, especially in a world of "publish this purchase on Facebook!" style zombie-advertising, rampant uncompensated data mining, and PWYW vendors implementing mandatory "minimum donations", which is Newspeak for "we set the price as always; you're too dumb to realize the con".
Surveillance Camera Man 8
10/15/14, 09:55

*Life* is like a prison with no locks, and only if you're lucky do you get a buffet full of drugs and sex. Why would people give up their only shot at soma? The internet's not going anywhere, not unless the entire grid comes down.

Just you wait, meme, fifty years time, everyone but you will be an addict, and they'll call *you* The Savage. They'll stick you in a lighthouse for helicopters. You'll try to stay pure, you'll try to reject the system, but they'll turn your hermitage into a zoo, and eventually you'll have no choice but to hang yourself in order to get away from the sex-drugged crowds.
Surveillance Camera Man 8
10/15/14, 07:58

So what odds would you guys give on the notion of personal privacy surviving the next ten or twenty years?
My Little Joanie
10/14/14, 19:53

Was Joanie a character on the Fonzy Show?
My Little Joanie
10/14/14, 19:13

I don't get it.
What is the Evidence for Evolution?
10/14/14, 15:18

Didn't Potholer come out as an MRA or something and get consigned to the Memory Hole?
The Hebrews Going Hard At The Africans
10/14/14, 13:49

They're not that kind of Hebrew, Gmork.

They hang out in New Haven all the time. Sure, they're a little nuts, but at least they aren't Nuwabians!

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