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Frank Zappa on CNN's Freeman Report, 1981
12/12/14, 18:31

With the exception of a lot of Tom Waits' stuff (I like The Black Rider and a lot of his other albums will have one or two standout tracks) I really like everyone I mentioned above, I just hold no illusions about them being innovators.
Frank Zappa on CNN's Freeman Report, 1981
12/12/14, 18:29

I don't know, probably some IDM guy.


I like The Beatles, but for anything they did you can always find at least a handful of artists who released something that took the same thing further a year earlier. That's the way of pop.

Bowie's another good example, he's great but you can also make a timeline of who he was copying at any given point in his career.

First it was Anthony Newley, then he got into Biff Rose (it's well established that he was super in to Biff Rose around when Hunky Dory came out, and you can REALLY hear it in the song structures and singing style) and kind of knocked his sound off for an album or two, then he got in to arena rock/glam, then he met Eno and together they (sometimes literally in the case of the Harmonia tapes Eno made off with) ripped off some of the better Krautrock artists, and after that I lose track if both him and his influences. What makes him great is no matter how hard he's biting someone's sound he makes it his own, and he had good taste so he tended to bite the right stuff at the right time.

C.F. the story about Dylan meeting Ramblin Jack Elliott in Woody Guthrie's hospital room and then almost immediately getting a leather jacket and skewing his sound from a Woody Guthrie thing to a Ramblin' Jack thing.

Led Zeppelin doesn't even bear mention, suffice it to say that any time Jimmy Page touched an acoustic guitar he should have paid royalties to Bert Jansch or Roy Harper. At least he gave Harper a shout out and played on a lot of his albums.

Tom Waits is Captain Beefheart for communications majors.

Etc. Etc.
Frank Zappa on CNN's Freeman Report, 1981
12/12/14, 17:27

True, though the flip side is that it's becoming harder for marketers to make artists like The Beatles and Elvis so much more popular than the actual quality of their music warrants. I like both of them well enough, but they were neither innovators nor masters in their fields. Not that they had to be, pop music isn't about doing something new it's about taking elements of whatever is innovative at the time and reimagining it (or, more often, just dumbing it down) into something with mass appeal.


Elvis' biggest accomplishment was that he was a white guy. The Beatles' biggest accomplishment was that they had a really good producer and manager.
Lindybeige hacks a balloon.
12/12/14, 16:16

My friends and I used to take 2 liter soda bottles, fill them back up with water, and just whale on each other with them. This was back in the day when they till looked like this:

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4012/4471641246_c1e68a6c60_z.jpg

and if you pulled the black plastic part off of the bottom, it was round and the actual bottle was of even thickness. Nowadays the bottoms are thicker than the sides and would probably leave a pretty nasty bruise if you got hit with one the wrong way.
Frank Zappa on CNN's Freeman Report, 1981
12/12/14, 16:11

There is no Zappa because the rock star is a dead social role. There are a few hangers on, but between the old music industry's tireless quest to split everything up into convenient market-research driven genres and Web 2.0's tagging fetish letting people completely filter out anything that hasn't already been preapproved for them in some way, there just isn't a cultural framework for any kind of musician to have much of an impact outside of their niche (even if the niche is being a corporate-funded superstar like Kanye or Keith Urban or Lady Gaga, they don't really have much substantial impact outside of the worlds of corporate-funded pop music and possibly fashion).

On the other hand, there's more good music being made and released than there has been since the dawn of recorded music. And also more crap.
Colbert Interviews Smaug
12/12/14, 16:04

The Hobbit was pretty much unwatchable, I made it about 40 minutes out of respect for my roommates, but god damn.


Peter Jackson lost me somewhere near the middle of the second LotR movie.
Colbert Interviews Smaug
12/12/14, 16:03

Why is Colbert interviewing a fictional dragon when there are so many real, live dragons on the Internet?
Traveling Pilsburys - Spock On
12/12/14, 11:20

I can't actually remember how I found out about him. It was around the same time that I got into Weird Al, but I feel like they were parallel discoveries.
It's Time For The Family Bath!
12/11/14, 19:49

They eventually cut out most of the best stuff, I've heard.
It's Time For The Family Bath!
12/11/14, 19:48

I must have lucked out, because every episode I saw as a kid had all of the censored stuff in it. Kind of felt cheated when a friend of mine spent $30 on a bootleg tape of Ren & Stimpy uncensored episodes and other than the George Liquor/dog show episode that I guess never aired in full, and some pncil tests, it was all identical to the episodes I'd taped off of TV.

In fact, I don't think I've ever seen the censored version of this episode. I only saw the censored version of Powdered Toast Man once, and that was years later.
Lindybeige hacks a balloon.
12/11/14, 19:44

I would imagine a lot of us used to do something like this. Which is a significant part of why I submitted it.
Traveling Pilsburys - Spock On
12/11/14, 19:01

Pretty much laid the groundwork for a LOT of my future tastes.
Traveling Pilsburys - Spock On
12/11/14, 19:00

In 6th grade my best friend and I had Dr. Demento sleepovers and taped it every weekend we could. I've still got about 10 of the tapes in a box somewhere.
Out of Control Ship Crushes Smaller Boats, Shreds Others With Screws
12/11/14, 18:59

Propped & screwed.
Philips CD-I Tetris
12/11/14, 18:22

You accidentally posted the Pyravid video I posted earlier.

Unless that was some kind of metajoke.
Philips CD-I Tetris
12/11/14, 18:21

Oh man, I forgot about that.
Philips CD-I Tetris
12/11/14, 17:13

Which actually brings me to my biggest complaint about this stiff: the hotspots or it seem to be tumblr, 4chan and Reddit, which really raises the bullshit ratio to almost untenable proportions. Especially Tumblr.
Philips CD-I Tetris
12/11/14, 17:12

The good stuff isn't nostalgic at all, though, it's borderline dystopian. The nostalgic stuff is mostly the lazy Tumblr junk.
Philips CD-I Tetris
12/11/14, 16:45

Also, IZ, are you on the Poe facebook group (either one of them)? I forget. If so, I'm the guy with the Realistic MG-1 for a profile picture in case you didn't know.
Philips CD-I Tetris
12/11/14, 16:42

Infinite Zest, who's your friend?

Most of it's like you describe, some of it's 100% original composition like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZjRa73vOPU

and some of the best of it, in my opinion, is a blend of the two.

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