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Burnov - 2011-10-02

Doug Stanhope is funny sometimes, but in this case he's a complete retard.


Nationalism exists because scarcity will always be a looming problem.

It goes against every natural human fibre to not band together on some common interest to succeed against other individuals or competing groups.

It goes against every natural human fibre to voluntarily relinquish one's pursuit of some quality of life in favor of enforced distribution of resources in which everyone, while possibly not starving endure much lower living standards as a result.

Life itself is a manifestation of zero sum game, and nationalism is simply a natural consequence of that.


The Great Hippo - 2011-10-02

Like Stanhope's routine, your explanation is a gross oversimplification that ignores actual history.

Unlike Stanhope's routine, your explanation isn't funny or amusing.

Five stars!


Corpus Delectable - 2011-10-02

I have no idea if Stanhope is funny all the time or just some of the time, but I'm going on record as saying the opposite of everything else in Burnov's post.

Scarcity is not a looming problem.

Humans band together all the time to benefit others and other groups, and this is a manifestation of our social instincts.

People relinquish goods all the time to distribute to the poor and ailiing. It's one of the defining characteristics of our species. "How human were these simian ancestors? Oh, look, this one had a broken femur that had to have been nursed back to health by his peers. Oh, look, here's an elder who could not have reached such an advanced age without the help of the younger tribe members. Very human, we conclude."

Life itself is a manifestation of nothing except for life itself. Symbiosis and cooperation allow all organisms, especially the higher ones, to live better than they ever could in isolation.

I feel better now.


HotwaxNinjaPanther - 2011-10-03

Yeah, but in a large enough group, you're bound to end up with a herd mentality. When general anonymity strikes, nobody gives a damn if you're the slowest antelope. Strangers won't hesitate to split off from you and save themselves if it means that they don't have to become lion food that day. Hell, people don't even have to feel a sense of danger to keep them from being a good samaritan. There are so many video examples of people in cars hiding in anonymity, driving past stabbing victims or ignoring roadside accidents. There are many things in our culture that reward antisocial behavior. Hell, the internet itself is a living thesis on the power of schadenfreude.

While it may seem like an evolutionary benefit for people to cooperate with one another, it doesn't mean that we're all inclined to do so under all circumstances. Humans also evolved the ability to walk upright on two feet, but I highly doubt that the neckbeards who frequent this site ever bother to use them.


Bort - 2011-10-03

Evolution has taught us on the one hand to support our tribe, and on the other to treat outsiders as possible threats (or at the very least, to see them as of far lesser value than our tribesmen). It's obviously more complicated than that even among "primitive peoples", and concepts of "our tribe" and "outsiders" become chock full of ambiguity in modern society. But both tendencies are present in us and they're not a contradiction, we just follow one more heavily than the other depending on the situation.


Hooker - 2011-10-03

People who watch a comedy routine and explain why everything isn't an accurate statement BLOW MY FUCKING MIND.


baleen - 2011-10-03

Nationalism has nothing to do with scarcity. You're dumb.


Syd Midnight - 2011-10-09

It goes against every natural human fibre not to stick my dick in Burnov's mouth and rub my shit into his hair, but just because humans are apes doesn't mean it's always acceptable to act on base instinct.


joelkazoo - 2011-10-02

I love Stanhope, but this feels like a dupe.


Ocyrus - 2011-10-03

I'm with you, pretty sure we're right.


gmol - 2011-10-02

Beautiful.

It sounds like he read G.K. Chesterton,

...
Tradition may be defined as an extension of the franchise. Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about.
...


HotwaxNinjaPanther - 2011-10-02

To suggest that Stanhope reads anything other than beer labels is pushing it.


memedumpster - 2011-10-02

Five for Doug Stanhope.


Harveyjames - 2015-04-04

Discovered Doug on Baiting.org around the same time I discovered PoE.


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