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Desc:I'd say this is a David vs. Goliath type story, but I don't think Mr. LaClair would appreciate that.
Category:Classic Movies, Religious
Tags:documentary, creationism, public schools, bad teachers
Submitted:Toenails
Date:06/05/12
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Toenails
yeah, I don't know how I got the "starting at" URL, but obviously I can't watch a movie and share a movie at the same time.
TeenerTot
The clips of the christian club are especially infuriating.
This guy thinks he can school Niel deGrasse Tyson????
takewithfood
I'm currently struggling with the decision to confront my religious friends about how ridiculous I think their beliefs are. My whole life I've been taught that questioning people's religious beliefs is socially unacceptable, and I've always tiptoed around my religious friends while inwardly thinking that they're complete fucking idiots.

I treat them the way I treat my one and a half year-old niece when she hands me a messy crayon smudge on a piece of paper: I tell her it's nice, even though it's just an unintelligible scribble, because she's only a child and I know it's the best she can do. But my friends are adults, and their beliefs are still so infantile. When they tell me that Jesus is really coming through for them and that they can tell God is making things happen in their lives, I smile politely and say "That's great!" like they're little babies who just can't do any better. And I feel like a shit friend for not taking them seriously, for setting the bar so incredibly low for them.

I mean it's just a fucking book! Faith isn't a virtue, it's absolutely nothing to be proud of. They should be humiliated by their idiotic, and often pretty callous beliefs. Frankly I don't think most of them actually even believe, they're just so used to getting a pat on the head whenever they say something adorably religious because that's what good people do. They're all well-meaning people who unfortunately have been taught that sitting in church, praying for their friends, believing every word their pastor says while being skeptical of science, and voting for the most religious politicians by default is part of being a good person. And I think they can do better.

But I never say anything because it's just easier for me not to. I don't want to cause a stink and I don't want to make enemies, which is what I fear would happen if I spoke up. I don't have the time or the energy or the courage to be like this kid. I even feel weird just admitting this here, and expect to be denounced as some horrible awful mean person for even considering it.

Sorry for the wall of text.
memedumpster
If you want to keep them as friends, you'll have to acknowledge that they ARE children and just change their diapers when they need it. You'll lose them, angrily, the moment you tell them there's no Santa Claus. It's not like other mental illnesses where the afflicted want to get better because they see it's messing up their lives. You may as well be dealing with heroin addicts who immediately sober up and run out of heroin the moment you challenge them. You can't even discuss it when they're high, they only get high on hatred of their enemies.

I don't envy you at all.

memedumpster
That doom being said, here's a playlist that hit poe some time ago from a guy who documented his getting over the God.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA0C3C1D163BE880A&featur e=plcp

It's fantastic and gives much insight into the mind of the mind robbed.

Blue
I almost went to seminary. Personally I don't keep friends like that, but if I did, I'd recommend talking to them about their faith. A lot of the strength of the right has come from people forgetting and abandoning their religion for the general idea of being religious. They've forgotten that it does fucking matter if they're Catholic, Baptist, Protestant or whatever. People that aren't your faith are generally going to hell. These laws were put in place primarily to protect these people from each other and I think they need to be reminded of that.

Also, I firmly believe in making them realize that they don't know shit about the Bible. That's the first step on the surest path to atheism.

Oh, and ask them how they can be moral people if they can ultimately pass all their sins onto Jesus.

PegLegPete
If telling your friends what you think will have serious consequences for the majority of your personal and professional relationships - even screw up what the local community thinks about you - I suggest now is not the right time to bring it up. And something to keep in mind is: when a conversation drifts to the religious - that's when you bring your disagreements up - be ready with a strong argument; know the facts. Don't just bring up how ridiculous it all is for no reason, wait for the dialog to shift in that direction and then say what you believe, otherwise it will seem very confrontational and rude.

If you think you're living some kind of lie, that's an indication that you need to come out as a skeptic of religious beliefs or whatever the issue may be.

TheSupafly
Its an interesting situation, but the documentary seems a little bit amateurish compared to most I see posted on this site. Gotta start somewhere I guess.
Toenails
Actually, I had to go read up on it to make sure that it wasn't a phony documentary because of the amateurish qualities. Still not one hundred percent certain, but it's got Niel deGrasse Tyson and Steven Colbert, so why not?

Anaxagoras
This kid's alright.
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