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Desc:Come for the doctor bouncing knowledge off two brick walls, stay for the wacky things the walls say.
Category:Science & Technology, Accidents & Explosions
Tags:intelligent design, creationism, SCIENCE!, eugenie scott, Trolled IRL
Submitted:Toenails
Date:06/11/12
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Comment count is 20
memedumpster
She beamed down to a planet that looked like Earth for a scientific meeting, but found an apocalyptic wasteland populated with angry, willful, children who sacrifice one another when they reach adulthood at the command of a violent and immoral god.
fedex
sorry to throw this in here but is anyone else suddenly getting bombarded with pop-up ads as soon as they open POETV? Just started happening to me, just this site...and its the annoying kind that take three clicks to close
SolRo
no. stop looking at wierd porn sites without good AV/malware protection.

Toenails
No, and I even have my ad-blocking turned off for this site.

SteamPoweredKleenex
None here. The popups are coming from inside the house!

fedex
welp, thanks anyway

grimcity
None, ever. Download Spybot: Search and Destroy, let it scan and then delete whatever you have infecting your browser or whatever adware got into your machine.

Spybot S&D is free, and I don't work for them or anything. I'd bet money you have a browser helper object (BHO) manifesting the popups.

fedex
if anyone reads this, i found the culprit....firefox add-on called ""Flash Loader initial.rev64 by christiandavid" Nasty bit of kit!

HarrietTubmanPI
The ID proponents are so dishonest. The whole video is pretty much a cycle of:

* Host asks question
* Dembski gives a long diatribe
* Scott looks confused and gives a scientific rebuttal - yet is interrupted or edited out
* When Scott gets a question in (like have you read the refutations of Irreducible Complexity) nobody answers

It's sad people buy into this bunk.
blue vein steel
it's sad that they claim what they do is science

SteamPoweredKleenex
There are times when I wonder if the equating fairy tales with science is just their way of projecting their world view.

To use a computer equivalent, a lot of Apple fans venerate Steve Jobs. They can't think of any other way to relate to their computer of choice. That is, if you like Apple, you generally like Steve Jobs. Therefore, they thought, PC users must venerate Bill Gates the same way. This could be attacked, since Gates is/was an embodiment of all that (to the Apple user) is evil in relation to computers. Same for Linux and Torvalds, to a degree.

For Christians and other god-botherers, their holy book is (without a lot of examination) the manual to the universe and infallible, and to actually buy into that idea takes loads of faith. Science must be, in their view, the same; all writings labeled as "science" are part of their opponents' holy text, so any obvious flaws (like Piltdown Man) obviously result in this doctrine called "science" being false.

They surely have plenty of liars in their camp, but I think a lot of it is this narrow worldview that can't see any other way of relating to anything apart from their own.

jangbones
Mealy mouthed psuedo-intellectualism

People who know how to sound intellisgent without actually being intelligent already have a non-scientific thesis, and selectively filter evidence, emphasize unimportant things, waffle, and falsely-equivocate to support their wrong thesis

Jonah Goldberg pioneered it, looks like Dembski has perfected it

Scott is wasting her time talking to these people
Hooker
Oh, fuck. Jonah Goldberg didn't invent bullshitting.

baleen
I had a long Facebook faceoff with an ID guy who clearly did not understand science but chose to circulate a couple peer-reviewed articles from questionable journals that are now being hailed as the silver bullet in the side of evolution.

If you go to the DI's page you can see some of the articles I'm talking about. They are exercises in logical fallacies, and it's disgraceful that they were allowed into actual journals.

Blue
We need to do this right back to them. We need to have a panel show where scientists discuss creationism. I would love for these fuckers to be forced to tell us what creationism is without talking about evolution.

Maybe we should just fucking make creationism. Given that nature's solutions are often inefficient it certainly seems that whatever intelligent force that created all life on earth must have consisted of different individuals that were not able to share information on optimal solutions. Clearly there are many different creators.

Hmm... I wonder if I could make any money as a creationist.
baleen
"We need to have a panel show where scientists discuss creationism."

No we don't. These people cannot be convinced of anything, they are twisting science to fit into the square peg of their respective faiths. There's no Scopes Monkey Trial potential here. The actual science behind the origin of life hypotheses are so complicated that they can easily be twisted around and can dupe anybody that doesn't quite get it.

At this point it's like a bunch of guys who have learned how to speak a few words of latin who are just reciting various fancy latin words to a bunch of illiterate people who think the act of speaking latin makes one the Pope.

Blue
These people can be convinced of quite a bit or they wouldn't be creationists. The only people selling something are the creationists. I'm all for truth, but I don't think it's lying to sell somebody something you don't personally want to buy.

Why can't we fight this war on their turf? Why can't we take it to them? It doesn't fucking matter that evolution is complicated. Creationism isn't Evolution, and it's pretty fucking simple to understand. We don't need to convince them of evolution, we just need to convince them that creationism is dumb, which is a fuckton easier. Really, we don't even need to do that, we just need to convince them that a version of creationism incompatible with religion is better than their current version. At that point, they'll lose interest.

HarrietTubmanPI
Blue,

They won't fight fair. They will lie. They will cheat. Nothing will convince them.

You cannot rationally argue with someone that is irrational. Plus, the millions of irrational people that will see this will think they've won.

baleen
In other news, teaching evolution was just banned from South Korean textbooks. Kind of just slipped that in the legislation.

memedumpster
Becoming blatant retards is part of their historic push to re-unite with the North.

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