Sure, we know that god exists.
We just think Odin is an asshole and like pissing him off.
I know, the jerk. Imagine how great the NBA and the NHL would be if we still had ice giants.
Actually, wrasslin' would be a lot better with ice giants as well.
Most pro sports could use ice giants, now that I think about it. The Winter Olympics would be vastly more entertaining, especially the figure skating.
This is Kent Hovind's son, Eric. Sadly, Kent is not making many videos these days what with being in prison for tax fraud and everything.
It sure looks and sounds like him. regardless, Truth Group is an Eric Hovind project.
I did have a couple videos tagged Eric Hovind (also Chad Hovind because the videos were the two of them being morons), but he removed them.
Admittedly, my first reaction (as is usually is when I know I'm wrong) was to stammer and bluster out some defense. But I took a deep breath and I'm ready to accept the truth now. God exists, and I've always known it, and all the other atheists know it as well.
Anyone else wanna cross over with me?
I will join you. I didn't believe it for a long time, but now I understand that God is real, and he is a smug, elitist prick. Also, caucasian. And a man.
|Corpus Delectable |
There was a liberal evangelical named Tony Campolo who had some pretty good books back when I was in the fold. One of the best things he ever talked about--and I'm sure he only mentioned it in passing, but it really stuck with me--was this idea of "triumphalism." Basically, he pointed to the very ugly feature of many modern Christian denominations to just claim victory, claim triumph, over all who disagree, and then vilely gloat over it. It reveals, in my opinion, a fundamental insecurity in the mind of the biblical literalist, as well as a level of cowardice so vile and craven that they distort their so-called message of God's love into the kind of bile you see here. They'll throw their every value, their every shred of human compassion and decency, under the bus all in order to shore up their silly belief system on the off chance that their peers are right about the afterlife.
Fucking confused cowards. Pure evil, of the most commonplace and banal order.
Tony Campolo was a class act, however. He really strove to exemplify Christ's love.
Generally, you can apply that concept to anyone insecure enough about their beliefs to slap TRUTH on it.
Give them a break, wouldn't you be insecure if the single most important part of your life and identity was absolutely unseeable and unknowable and no actual evidence of it exists and never did and never will?
It would be like marrying a woman you have never met, never seen, never spoken to, never communicated with in any way. You only have a vague idea what she is like and where she lives which you got by reading a book that a bunch of other guys wrote about her years ago. Oh and its been edited a lot.
However, your wife knows absolutely every minute detail about you, and you make her the most important person in your daily life. Every decision you make reflects how you think she will respond to it.
And someday in the indeterminate future, you will suddenly go to live with her in her house forever. It could happen tomorrow.
That would drive me fuckin nuts.
Christ really isn't that loving. It's sort of the myth of the New Testament that it's all nice and mellow compared to the Old Testament, but if you really look through it, the underlying is message is more "Yeah, God might not be tossing hellfire into your cities anymore, but it's only because he's making sure the afterlife is as miserable and horrific as possible because now it's on. He wanted to destroy all of you but I talked him out of it, so now if you don't believe in ME things will be worse."
In the Old Testament, people were just killed and forgotten to history. In the New, now you can be tortured for the rest of known time for reasons that make the punishments of the Old Testament seem downright reasonable.
I'll not disagree. But, I will say that die-hard communists, market capitalists, Keynesianists, or what-have-you don't generally enumerate among their beliefs the moral superiority of love or a gentle spirit, among other examples.
The irony just seems especially acute in the case of Christianity, a religion which has as its central figure the kind of guy who talks like he does about forgiving "even unto seventy times seven" times and about how "the meek shall inherit the earth."
It's a degree of perversion and compartmentalization that I continually find literally remarkable, despite--as you rightly note--its ubiquity in this and other cases.
I hear ya, Pain, but I also think that it's a legitimate strategy to try to figure out what Jesus might actually have been saying underneath the layers of redaction, censorship, literary ambitions of the gospel-writers, and so on. That is to say, it's at least *conceptually* possible to separate Jesus from the New Testament, and even from the four canonical gospels to some extent, and look at what [h|H]e may or may not have actually said.
Paul, for example, seems to, among other things, have had more of a boner for the gays than Jesus. And then you can speculate about how an unorthodox teacher's words would have been filtered into a human institution like the church[es], vs. how much of the surrounding culture and mythology would have filtered into his [or her] words.
Murky territory, for sure, but certainly more interesting than dribbling on about the eschatological implications of Revelations, which is very likely a coded polemic against a hated civil government.
It's a broken narrative at best. The Jesus Project tried to ferret out which author said what, which Jesus is likely the same guy, etc., but it's such a freaking mish-mash of other myths, legends, and tales that it's really like disjointed fanfic.
Not to mention the bible was assembled by committee, Revelations is totally out of sync with the rest of the chosen books, and a lot of the ones that were rejected seemed to have a lot more philosophy or at least interesting concepts than the ones the guys in robes and funny hats settled on.
Paul was so rabidly anti-gay because a major part of Hellenization was an aesthetic appeal to the nude male in art and the gymnasium, and this was obviously carried over when the Romans took over what the Ptolemies and Herods had started. It's rather like how Muslims are SO WILDLY HUNG UP on Coca-Cola as a symbol of the oppressor, and why the Boston Tea Party was so cathartic even though it was just some fucking tea. Except, obviously, it was buttsex, instead of Gaius Heliogabalus' Standardized and Diluted Garum, available wherever good denarii are exchanged.
The irony here, of course, is that Paul's letters to Timothy are a little too chummy, if you catch my drift, and modern Christians have absolutely nothing oppressing them whatsoever in, in any way.
Even if you do separate out Hell and support for slavery, genocide, and abuse of women, Jesus still is unimpressive as a moral philosopher, even with the stuff that was cribbed directly from earlier Greeks.
People hear "blessings to the meek" and "blessed be the peacemakers", and how we need to feed and clothe the poor, and assume it's good and sensible. But the details matter.
Jesus doesn't just support the meek and peacemakers, he says that injustice and oppression on earth can be ignored since we should focus on the afterlife. He doesn't just say to care for the poor, but that we should all be poor, and get rid of our possessions since wealth stops us from getting into heaven. He says to love one another, but that you should hate any family member that stands between you and God and consider all human connections unimportant in comparison. Even the parable about casting the first stone is a later addition, Jesus was all in favor of stone-throwing. Even compared to other religions at the time, there's a lot that unwise or immoral.
|Robin Kestrel |
Awesome comments on this one, guys.
Yeah. I kind of wish poeTV had forums since all the "fuck off and die" people from PoeN have staked their reputation on, among other things, never having anything to do with poeTV.
internet drama is the saddest thing that exists, and any general forum would inevitably create drama
if this place opened a general forum I would find another site
If there were forums here, the forum cabal people would just show up again. You know, just because it's so dumb around here. And to socially engineer us. And because they're so disinterested in POE.
|Dread Pirate Roberts |
Listen, even if I did believe God existsed, I still woudln't worship the prick. He's persecuting people for not worshipping him... which, lets face it, is what Hitler did.
He also would have been responsible for making imperfect beings and then fucking with them until they worship him.
Even if he exists, I'm always going to be against him.
Sanest Man Alive
Exactly the sentiment in my heart of hearts, sir. Let's get gay-married in a Satanic church!
Also: is this Dreamworks-faced twat even making sentences? I see the lips flap, but all I hear are hippo farts. I'd rate higher for evil, but I can't tell if he's openly promoting gay-bashing, unchecked procreation or the like through all those soggy, backed-up, dysenteric hippo farts.
Well the Bible tells us "blop" so BOOM THAT'S ALL THE PROOF I NEED.
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