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Category:Classic Movies, Horror
Tags:Well, clockwork orange, nightmare, alex, dim
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Date:07/24/12
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Dread Pirate Roberts
Well, well, well... broken link?
fedex
just click Original while I fix it

Dread Pirate Roberts
Well, well well, here's five stars. Love this movie.

catpenis27
One of my favorite scenes from the whole movie.
StanleyPain
The director's cut.
Hooker
Could very well be the amount of times Kubrick demanded this scene re-shot.

jreid
It's hard to believe Burgess hated this movie so much. More so that he thought the book was shit too.
StanleyPain
Burgess didn't really hate the movie, he just had issues with Kubrick personally because Kubrick didn't want to make the movie into quite the moral parable that Burgess wanted it to be. Kubrick also didn't really keep Burgess as a "friend" for very long after the making of the film which sort of pissed him off.

fedex
according to McDowall Kubrick didn't keep anyone around for long, at least after Clockwork Orange. An extremely private man.

CornOnTheCabre
all burgess wrote was a mewling revenge fantasy disguised as the world's mildest condemnation of state-sponsored mind control.

kubrick took that and created a genuine moral parable, one that actually has a prevailing message besides "don't be violent, unless it's for The Queen, because at the end of the book you'll grow up and see how dumb that is."

I can see how that would rub a two-dimensional hack the wrong way -- more or less the same shit happened with The Shining, too bad Stephen King doesn't have the benefit of being dead and British to validate his original vision.

StanleyPain
What's interesting about Clockwork Orange is that Burgess probably didn't really intend it to be a condemnation of state-sponsored anything, but rather a story about how an awful person can eventually make himself better if given the chance. Kubrick thought this was really dumb, so he opted to make the movie an accurate, dispassionate translation of the book and then remove the inferred ending of the book where Alex is getting tired of being his old self and would rather just live a normal life. Kubrick, rightly, thought this ending was totally at odds with his character and wanted to make the movie largely about how Alex is an asshole, but just about everyone surrounding him throughout his life are also assholes, which is way more darkly comic than the novel. The fact that the prison chaplain is pretty much the only genuinely "nice guy" was probably meant to be funny, but Burgess tried to parlay that into some pro-Christian thing that it showed that religion probably could have reformed Alex had the state not stepped in.

oswaldtheluckyrabbit
Don't knock Burgess. "Earthly Powers" is an excellent book

Hooker
I'm going to extend oswalt's comment to, "just because you can find any sort of fault with someone doesn't mean they're a hack."

CornOnTheCabre
alright, alright, I'll admit to some hyperbole and not having read Earthly Powers. it's now on "the list."

jesus christ, you can't be reductive toward ANYTHING around here anymore

Old_Zircon
What Stanley Pain said. The original ending was cut from the American edition (and by extension the movie) because the publishers decided an American audience couldn't handle the moral ambiguity of Alex growing up into a normal adult, and needed to believe that Alex was "evil" in some kind of absolute, judeo-christian way.

They were probably right.

Old_Zircon
Basically, Kubrik shot the American version of the book because it was the more widely read version.

Caminante Nocturno
What have we here?
The Mothership
Well done.
Jet Bin Fever
They don't call him "dim" because he's eloquent.
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