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William Burns - 2013-02-22

"We're just the same, you and I. Lazily Written."

Adham Nu'man - 2013-02-22



misterbuns - 2013-02-22

What would you have done differently?

cognitivedissonance - 2013-02-22

Because a hundred years of Sherlock Holmes movies/films, at the rate of about one or two a year, have always been spectacularly honed.

William Burns - 2013-02-22

Maybe this scene is better in context, but it sounds like a villainous exposition madlib. WE ARE NOT SO DIFFERENT, (name of spy, detective or group of teenagers)

misterbuns - 2013-02-22

So you understand how genre dialogue works.

What's the problem with the scene again?

The angle on this project wasn't to turn Sherlock into a Mamet play.

misterbuns - 2013-02-22

speaking of context, think about it this way. Sherlock Holmes was batman before there were comic books. It was smart, but it was still batman. I think this show is a faithful translation of the tone into modern times.

CJH - 2013-02-22

in other words it's meant to be shitty

William Burns - 2013-02-22

Sorry I didn't like the thing you liked! If I were to do it differently, I would have made the actors think of better ways to say stuff.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2013-02-22

I liked it, but I'm willing to play devil's advocate:

On the one hand, Sherlock and Moriarty WERE a lot alike, and were written to be that way. The real difference is that one was on the side of the law while the other wasn't.

On the other, Moffat loves doing this in Doctor Who FAR too much. It was almost a weekly thing where whoever the bad guy was would tell the Doctor how they weren't different at all and that they've done the same evil things.

For this show, I thought it worked, so... oh well.

misterbuns - 2013-02-22

it's meant to be pulpy. It's fucking Sherlock Holmes not Lars von Trier.

Asking Moriarty not to be cartoonishly evil is like going to steakhouse and ordering a salad.

CJH - 2013-02-23

i object to the quality, not the tone. writing/ acting wise this is reaching CSI levels

doctor who sucks too

FABIO - 2013-02-23

At least they weren't playing Chess.

cognitivedissonance - 2013-02-23

I think the one thing that Moffat and Gatiss misunderstood about Moriarty is that he's not anti-Establishment... he IS the Establishment. He's also an organization fixated efficiency expert. He is far from the Joker, as far as character motivations, as you can get. The only thing he has in common is megalomania.

Yeah, he is jealous of Holmes, but I think Gatiss probably has a personal axe against the Grindr twink phenomenon, which seems to be what he's complaining about with his interpretation of Moriarty. Bitter old queen can't get easy fucks anymore thanks to SOCIAL MEDIA, so they're all villains.

onionradish - 2013-02-22

The introduction of Moriarty killed this otherwise awesome series.

misterbuns - 2013-02-22


YakooMarkTwo - 2013-02-22

I like this series. I think the stories are genuinely clever (good source material, I guess), I think they adapted Holmes to the modern age very well, I think it's well acted and very, very well edited and produced. But Moriarty is just annoying - when he was first introduced (revealed?) I just kept thinking "Oh man, is he gonna talk like this the whole time?"

cognitivedissonance - 2013-02-22

I weirdly found it interesting, but I hang out with autists frequently.

My annoyance was that they didn't milk his evil plan for what it was worth. He had proven to the world's authorities that he is completely outside of the law, and utterly willing to do anything with his absurd level of power, and then an hour later goes and kills himself out of frustration. That's a brilliant premise that they didn't abuse fully because they wanted to give Holmes a love interest episode.

Old People - 2013-02-23

"Autists". You know, there's an appalling lack of poetv usernames based around that concept. We could use a "PortraitoftheAutist", "Autistic License", or perhaps a "TheAutistFormerlyKnownAs"

Paracelsus - 2013-02-22

I agree about Moriarty. The rest of the series is beyond great, especially if you know the stories well enough to see when they're tweaking your expectations.

Nikon - 2013-02-22

It is evil. It is so evil. It is a bad, bad plan, that will hurt many people that are good. I think it's great 'cause it's so bad.

TheOtherCapnS - 2013-02-22

Is there a scientific term for people who are unable to engage in suspension of disbelief? If you gave this less than five, I just feel sorry for yas...

The God of Biscuits - 2013-02-23

Seriously, this show is great and anyone who says otherwise is just being a negative Nelly.

Also, the way they show text messages and email in this show is better than any other show.

FABIO - 2013-02-23

I think what GoB is trying to say is he likes turtles.

TeenerTot - 2013-02-23

I like this show.

fluffy - 2013-02-23

Moffat's writing has gotten pretty formulaic.

Esperma de Mutante - 2013-02-23

Can we just get more Luther, please?

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