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Desc:From the Page One documentary. Correction happens towards the end.
Category:Classic Movies, News & Politics
Tags:vice, New York Times, liberia, shane smith, david carr
Submitted:simon666
Date:03/31/13
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Maru
Yeah, fuck those guys.
Maru
the nyt can suck a dick too though

Ursa_minor
Yeah - more with Vice on this one.

simon666
Thanks for the embeddable version, Maru.

Maru
yeah, just remember to delete the "s" in https. that's why these videos aren't embedding.

baleen
Shane Smith makes good docs. David Carr has snorted so much cocaine in his lifetime that he probably funded at least one West African genocidal push through Sierra Leone.

simon666
Shane Smith's docs are good, but Smith's insinuation that the Times is out of touch with what's 'really' going on in Liberia is boneheaded. To be fair, I think Smith wasn't totally thinking through his position and given time to reflect, he would have acknowledged the legitimacy of Times reporting on Liberia. However, I think what is telling from Smith's comments is that he presupposes VICE gets the 'real story' ipso facto by not being a mainstream institutional brand. Carr corrects Smith's assumption in a straightforward, confident way, which is interesting to see in itself. Smith backs away from his insinuation, saying he is not a journalist to which Carr responds, "Clearly." It's an interesting dynamic to watch the 'out of touch' journalist subordinate the 'in touch' VICE CEO so quickly.

Maru
It's that frat boy/jock instinct that responds immediately to male authority.

kamlem
Something tells me David Carr's typing style hasn't changed since the typewriter age.
Chocolate Jesus
I don't care what this is - Fuck Vice.

Chocolate Jesus
Vice is media for those without a point of view, or the ability to cultivate one.

It's glib and superficial like the frat boys who create / consume it.

snothouse
I used to work for those fucks.
It was the worst job I've ever had, and I've cleaned camp showers in Texas in the middle of Summer.
kingarthur
Their masturbatory ode to libertarian-ism a while back would lead me to believe Vice would be a terrible employer.

kingarthur
That said establishment journalists are usually just as guilty.

baleen
Are you kidding? Being a lower rung at the NYT is slave labor and you're treated like shit. It's called working as a nobody in New York.

Paracelsus
And never the twain shall meet. I don't care for VICE that much, but they have every right to piss all over established journalism any time they want. So does everyone else. Grow up, Carr.
snothouse
I think Carr's point was more one of Smith's "I AM THE TRUE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE" soapbox.

Aelric
This is the wolf-man vs Dracula. Ain't no good guys here, just two monsters fighting it out to see who gets to terrorized the Transylvanian hamlet.
memedumpster
Any business that holds meetings in a live room with no acoustic dampening is Mickey Mouse and should not be taken seriously. I know that seems like a downright random judge of the business, but it's amazing how little things like that indicate a system wide incompetence.
MissLadyArtemis
Agreed. It's the important little details which add up to major impressions of neglect and/or incompetence. Would you eat at a restaurant with unclean bathrooms? (I hope not)

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