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Desc:No one is accomplishing anything here.
Category:News & Politics
Tags:feminism, tumblr, mra, rape culture
Submitted:Macho Nacho
Date:04/08/13
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Comment count is 38
zerdzer - 2013-04-08
low wisdom stat :(
badideasinaction - 2013-04-08
Wow, it's like a live-action tumblr debate - one side with HURR HURR HURR mindless dismissal, the other screaming out talking points from someone else's work without having put an ounce of their own thought into it to actually make it into any form of debate.

(Unless the woman in question is the author of the article she's yelling at them, in which case I retract my above criticism of her side of it)
Macho Nacho - 2013-04-08
Nope it's not her work. She's just spouting stuff off from a Jezebel article.

Old_Zircon - 2013-04-08
Jezebel might actually be setting back the gains of Feminism even farther than stuff like the MRA "movement."


Personally I blame Reddit. And I blame 4Chan for reddit. And I blame SomethingAwful for 4Chan. It's too bad they won the atrocity tourism cold war.

simon666 - 2013-04-08
I blame rotten dot com for the above, but then I blame alt.* for rotten, so there you go.

badideasinaction - 2013-04-08
My biggest gripe with so much of the "sharing" technology of the internet is that people no longer need to form their own nuanced opinions. Instead, they can simply share/rebog/quote/retweet/whatever someone else's and add "THIS". Opinions drift towards the extreme because all these people have is someone else's words, and any acceptance of nuance brings the entire house of cards down.

Left wing, right wing, whatever wing - echo chambers are the enemy of all rational discourse.

badideasinaction - 2013-04-08
Addendum - funny thing is I didn't mind the actual article - it mostly had the "dude, chill for a second" tone, and her rendering of it completely stripped the tone out of it. She seemed to be trying real hard to start a fight with it, or was doing a very good job at parodying the exact shrill feminist that the MRAs laugh at.

simon666 - 2013-04-08
badideasinaction - right, but the problem you mention is one of a shared language in general. to talk about anything one has first to learn the existing way in which people talk about a given subject or phenomenon. this means one's discourse is necessarily using another person's thoughts and ideas, at least to some degree.

the issue seems to be whether or not it is reasonable to expect everyone to have something original to say? while it might be ideal to have everyone saying something original, i'm not sure everyone does. even in academic circles, not all researches have something to add to a given topic of investigation.

shrug.

baleen - 2013-04-08
^this

Old_Zircon - 2013-04-08
Especially in academic circles.

badideasinaction - 2013-04-08
I'm not even talking on an academic level, I'm talking on a "can you explain in your own words how you feel about _____________" without resorting to a pithy catchphrase you saw on an infographic about it.

simon666 - 2013-04-08
badideasinaction did you miss the point?

badideasinaction - 2013-04-09
I understand your point, and yes, people need to be exposed to these points of view, and it can be a gradual process to form ones own opinions. I'm just seeing people whose only major point on any social issue is precisely the last article they read and nothing else. There's no assimilation of ideas, no trying to balance viewpoints, it's just "this article is everything I believe about this topic". There's no attempt to even consider differing points of view, even to disagree but try and understand where they're coming from, even if totally wrong, unless it's a strawman of the opposing point of view.

Both sides have learned well from the Fox News school of worldview - ignore any information that might change your viewpoint and keep shouting the same thing into the echo chamber that agrees with you.

bac - 2013-04-10
@old zircon

Dude jezebel is great...ok there's an over abundance of tabloid crap.

Old_Zircon - 2013-04-08
No way I'm going to watch this right now on a phone in public but I feel confident that it's 5 star material.
Koda Maja - 2013-04-08
Insufferable all around. 5 stars.
That guy - 2013-04-12
Every last one of them is trying to win on AM radio.

This would make a great teaching tool for a critical reasoning class.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2013-04-14
Or a class on people you should avoid hanging out with, ever.

BHWW - 2013-04-08
I think it's fair to say nobody won on that day. I mean, none of these people deserve to win anything, ever.
BHWW - 2013-04-08
Though the snarling woman with the clown-red hair managed to irritate me the most...is that surprising?

Change - 2013-04-08
No. She's a stupid bigot, and a loud one.

spikestoyiu - 2013-04-08
An amazing preload for a video I don't want to watch because I don't want to cringe to death.
STABFACE - 2013-04-08
It really is something.

Udderdude - 2013-04-08
Ugliest people in Toronto award.
EvilHomer - 2013-04-08
Oh boy! Identity politics!
That guy - 2013-04-12
Why is "Shut the fuck up!" such a go-to jab for feminists of the shrill, academic, clown-haired, "everything is patriarchy" variety?

Change - 2013-04-08
I fucking hate that these stupid assholes have managed to be saddled with the 'Men's Rights' label. Men's rights are human rights as much as women's rights are, and because dumb shitty sexist bigots had the audacity to name themselves after an actual, cogent idea, so-called radical feminists have developed a dog whistle mentality to the use of those two words.

Which is pretty much summed up in this video. We have stupid assholes, some calling themselves Men's Rights Activists, some calling themselves feminists, reacting smugly to one another.
Change - 2013-04-08
Um, Nacho, did you look into this story before you posted the video? Because it looks like there's a lot of backstory here that makes your description sound dumb. This wasn't a 'Men's Rights' event - this was an equality event hosted by a major Canuckistan pro-equality group, looking to deride both misogyny and misandry.

This was the video from inside the event, and it can all be found by following links from your video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQzQBTkQZWU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipXYfV4ZISc

Old_Zircon - 2013-04-08
If anything I'm slightly more annoyed by the people pulling this kind of attention-seeking stunt under the guise of "feminism," if there's one thing that's not going to encourage any MRA's to reexamine their view of women it's someone like this doing everything possible to reinforce it.

Macho Nacho - 2013-04-09
Oh, you're right. I apologize for the wrong information.

Old_Zircon - 2013-04-09
That does change things a bit, if nothing else because the supporting cast on the feminists' side aren't guilty by association with the redhead and that hipster kid. Also the MRAs look even worse in light of this new information

Comrade Admiral - 2013-07-15
No, The "Canadian Association for Equality" is actually a group which focuses almost exclusively on MRA issues. They're not a "major Canuckistan Pro-Equality group."

One of their recent events was a lecture by an anthropologist who, among other things, claimed that women wearing revealing clothing on college campuses is essentially "psychologically raping young men," because we're not allowed to just sexually assault a woman in public even if that's what our biology demands.

Fuck the Canadian Association for Equality

Spaceman Africa - 2013-04-08
what do you even do at an MRA event
Old_Zircon - 2013-04-08
Jerk each other off.

Metaphorically and literally.

Cherry Pop Culture - 2013-04-08
I am not clicking this. I refuse to listen to MRAs about anything :( 5 star material!!!
Nikon - 2013-04-08
Here's my five stars.
James Woods - 2013-04-08
Just fuck already.
chumbucket - 2013-04-09
potty mouth!!
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