|CrimsonHyperSloth - 2013-04-10 |
Scales are hard! It just spins past the really big number and I don't know what!
Really? ... *aneurysm*
|Nikon - 2013-04-10 |
|Blue - 2013-04-10 |
I just started keeping a food diary and now I can't understand how I'm not fatter than these people.
I was really lucky, genetically speaking. I could lose about 20 pounds but with the way I live and eat I'm surprised I don't way at least 50 more. My weight hasn't fluctuated more than +/- 5 pounds since I got out of high school, regardless of what I eat and how much exercise I get, and since it can fluctuate that much over the course of a day I don't really pay much attention. One of the reasons I haven't owned a scale in I don't know, at least 5 years.
As a former Mississippian who used to be 50 lbs or more overweight (and now I've lost it and I'm pretty athletic now) it's due to a lack of physical activity more than the diet. The southern diet hasn't changed much in the last 200 years or more. It still mostly consists of fried foods and seafood and BBQ. The types of food came from plenty of seafood, and a lot of west african food that likes to fry everything. (Yes, southern white people like to eat food that they have no clue originally came from Africa and I find this funny.) It was different when only the top rich people were not the ones working, and everyone else from the black former slaves to white poor sharecroppers was working very hard in the fields every day. Few poor people got fat then because they had to do so much physical labor to make any money. Even in west africa meals were not very frequent, and there was a lot of running and walking around.
You try working in a hot field all day in 90 degree weather with a 70 degree dewpoint. You'll lose a lot of water weight through sweat and a lot of calories.
Now most people from poor to rich don't do anything as far as physical activity goes.
Granted, processed foods are not helping either. If you make your own hamburgers or raise your own chickens they will be much better for you than a mcdonalds ammonia burger or a wal-mart mutated chicken. They taste much better, too. However, locally a natural and organic free range rotisserie chicken is usually twice as much as a wal-mart mutant rotisserie chicken, and to make my own hamburger from quality meat and bread it does cost more than you'd get at Wendy's.
I remember someone telling me that even frozen TV dinners were much better tasting 40 years ago than they are today, and I believe them.
I'm also not in a food desert. Many places in Mississippi you cannot get quality food like you can where I live now in east TN.
I lost my weight by changing my portions, getting rid of soft drinks mostly and sugary drinks (stevia all the way), but most importantly copious amounts of physical exercise including a point where I was running 30-50 miles a week. I still enjoy BBQ, fried seafood, hamburgers, hot dogs, etc. but I eat them in controlled portions, I cook them myself so I know what goes in them (except BBQ, because I haven't mastered it yet), and sweets. However, I count calories so that whatever I put on I'll burn off later.
Physical exercise is the best way to lose weight - unless you're so obese you can't even move. Physical exercise should make you sweat buckets, should wear you out, and unless you're burning 10 calories a minute you're not working hard enough.
I ran your post through Dialectizer - Redneck Filter just to see what would happen:
As a fo'mer Mississippian who used t'be 50 lbs o' mo'e on overweight (an' now I've lost it an' ah's purdy athletic now) it's due t'a lack of physical ackivity mo'e than th' diet. Th' southern diet hain't changed much in th' last 200 years o' mo'e. It still mostly cornsists of fried grubs an' seagrub an' BBQ. Th' types of grub came fum plenty of seagrub, an' a lot of wess african grub thet likes t'fry ev'rythin'. (Yessuh, southern white varmints like t'eat grub thet they haf no clue origeenally came fum Africa an' ah find this hyar funny.) It was diffrunt when only th' top rich varmints were not th' ones wawkin', an' ev'ryone else fum th' black fo'mer slaves t'white pore sharecroppers was wawkin' mighty hard in th' fields ev'ry day. Few pore varmints got fat then on account o' they had t'do so much physical labo' t'make enny money. Even in wess africa meals were not mighty frequent, an' thar was a lot of runnin' an' walkin' aroun'.
Yo' try wawkin' in a hot field all day in 90 degree weather wif a 70 degree dewpoint. Yo'll lose a lot of water weight through sweat an' a lot of calo'ies.
Now most varmints fum pore t'rich doesn't does ennythin' as far as physical ackivity goes.
Granted, processed grubs is not he'pin' eifer. Eff'n yo' make yer own hamburgers o' raise yer own possums they will be much better fo' yo' than a mcdonalds ammonia burger o' a wal-mart mutated possum. They taste much better, too. Howevah, locally a natural an' o'ganic free range rotisserie possum is usually twice as much as a wal-mart mutant rotisserie possum, an' t'make mah own hamburger fum quality meat an' bread it does cost mo'e than yo'd git at Wendy's.
ah remember someone tellyng me thet even frozen TV dinners were much better tastin' 40 years ago than they is today, an' ah believe them, dawgone it.
ah's also not in a grub desert. Menny places in Mississippi yo' kinnot git quality grub like yo' kin whar ah live now in east TN.
ah lost mah weight by changin' mah po'shuns, gittin' rid of sof' six packs mostly an' sugary six packs (stevia all th' way), but most impo'tantly copious amounts of physical exercise includin' a point whar ah was runnin' 30-50 miles a week. Shet mah mouth! ah still injoy BBQ, fried seagrub, hamburgers, hot houn'dogs, etc. but ah eat them in corntrolled po'shuns, ah cook them mahse'f so ah knows whut goes in them ('cept BBQ, on account o' ah ain't mastered it yet), an' sweets. Howevah, ah count calo'ies so thet whutevah ah put on I'll burn off later.
Physical exercise is th' bess way t'lose weight - unless yer so obese yo' kin't even move. Physical exercise sh'd make yo' sweat buckets, sh'd wears yo' out, an' unless yer burnin' 10 calo'ies a minute yer not wawkin' hard inough.
Here's the equation for why Mississippi is so fat.
Poverty + lack of access to exercise facilities + lack of healthy food choices + addictive substances in cheap food = fat.
I remember the "Let's Go Walkin'!" campaign led by our former first lady here. I found it sad that Mississippians had to be reminded to fucking walk. Then again, you cannot live here and realistically get around without a car. At all. Produce costs a lot for your average Mississippian as well.
Seriously, this place is hell on fucking earth, barely existing with a shred of dignity above the third world. I'm holding out slim hope that once I finish this damned MBA I'll be able to leave this state again, hopefully leave the entire South, permanently. And then nuke the site from orbit because it's the only god damn way to be sure.
Diet, exercise, AND figuring out why your habits have become what they are. A couple of tips from someone who's losing weight but still has a long long way to go:
- Be sure to get enough protein, at least 1g per 3 pounds of body weight. If you're not getting that -- and do the math, you'll be surprised -- you may have satiety issues. Good protein sources: lean meats, lentils, assorted beans, soy, MorningStar Farms Black Bean Chipotle veggie burgers, Met-Rx High Protein Pancake Mix, Special K Protein Bars.
- You may be Vitamin D deficient, which makes it harder for your muscles to contend with exercise. Vitamin D capsules are cheap and it's nearly impossible to overdose on Vitamin D, so get the 5000 IU capsules and take them every day. (Or you could, you know, see a doctor and get his opinion.)
- The main thing exercise does, at least for me, is make it harder for your body to settle into a comfortable state of reduced activity while you're consuming fewer calories. So exercise enough that your body spends a lot of time recovering from the last bout of exercise; that will force your body to turn to fat deposits. It will also make you sleepy all the time; sorry about that.
- I discovered about a year ago that, for some unknown reason, hunger pangs unnerved me, which was leading me to overeat to be sure I wouldn't ever have to encounter them. No idea where that came from, but it was in my head and it had a lot to do with my eating habits. I have since adopted better habits regarding hunger pangs: while I still don't like them, I am more about eating just enough to quiet them, as opposed to overeating so that I'll be fine for hours. What's rolling around in YOUR head? It could be part of the problem.
Southern people aren't so bad. You can't choose where you were born, but you can choose how you live your life and where you end up. We're not all bad, fat, or racist, or rednecks.
I'm not sure why baleen decided to do such a low blow with the 'translation', but now that I'm an East TNer I'd like to take him on a few hikes over a few 6000 foot mountains and see how 'physically fit' he really is. I'm not a native east TNan, but it is the most beautiful part of the eastern US there is. And, the cost of living is cheap, too.
Exercise also does more than burn calories. It helps with your mental health as well. It reduces your chances of all kinds of disease. It increases your cardiovascular health. It even reduces your chance of heart disease.
I think baleen is just a northerner who's afraid of sweating and bugs and not looking pretty all the time ;)
(See, I can stereotype, too.)
"The main thing exercise does, at least for me, is make it harder for your body to settle into a comfortable state of reduced activity while you're consuming fewer calories. So exercise enough that your body spends a lot of time recovering from the last bout of exercise; that will force your body to turn to fat deposits. It will also make you sleepy all the time; sorry about that."
I'm not sure I can agree with that. Maybe you're not doing the right kind of exercise, or enough? You only need a day to recover from one hour of cardio.
Exercise doesn't make me sleepy all the time. It gives me more energy, actually.
Maybe I'm just in a lot worse shape than you?
|Nikon - 2013-04-10 |
1 stone = 14 pounds
4 stone = 56 pounds
19 stone = 266 pounds
|Jane Error - 2013-04-10 |
Five evil stars for attempting to pass off sideshow-esque rubbernecking as a public health service.
|Old_Zircon - 2013-04-10 |
So what does everyone think of that big study the NY Times just did a write up on that showed no statistical correlation between weight and longevity (the overweight people actually lived slightly longer than the people who were "normal weight" but not by enough to be statistically significant, and the obese people like those in this video lived about the same as the normal weight group). I haven't dug into it much yet so I don't really have an opinion beyond using it to justify getting a pizza the night I read it.
There should have been a question mark in there but I ate it.
Too small a sample size or bullshit journalism to get headlines (see; Tesla test drive)
I agree with too small a sample size or bullshit journalism and if it somehow wasn't, they clearly ignored other factors present here that would shorten or lengthen lifespan.
It's a metastudy done by the American Medical Association using data from "over 100 large scale epidemiological studies" according to the article, but their link to the actual publication doesn't work.
The NYT article itself is typical Op Ed stuff, what I'm more interested in is the actual study.
"Conclusions and Relevance: Relative to normal weight, both obesity (all grades) and grades 2 and 3 obesity were associated with significantly higher all-cause mortality. Grade 1 obesity overall was not associated with higher mortality, and overweight was associated with significantly lower all-cause mortality. The use of predefined standard BMI groupings can facilitate between-study comparisons."
I read about this study some time ago but I don't really believe it at face value.
See the NYT op-ed didn't even go into the different grades of obesity, that actually makes it make a lot more sense to me.Saying that an extra 40 pounds or so isn't going to kill you is a lot different than saying weight doesn't affect mortality.
No clue why the JAMA link wasn't working for me before. Some weird DNS thing I guess.
I have no trouble believing that the standard BMI groupings are artificially low; anecdotally, a much higher percentage of skinny people I know have health problems, and those who don't are typically manual laborers.
I don't trust no AMA scientists, motherfuckers are lyin' and getting me pissed!
Adipose tissue everywhere in this bitch.
Jet Bin Fever
The only way I could explain it is that frail elderly are much more prone to a lot of age-related diseases like pneumonia and such. So, if you're just a little bit plump and not a massive pile of flab, maybe it has some beneficial effects in combating the illnesses that come during old age. That's the ONLY WAY I can explain it by the way.
it could be that the obese tend to seek medical care more frequently than someone that thinks they're healthy.
Getting early treatment while a healthy person waits until the problem is 'serious enough' to visit a doctor.
|kingarthur - 2013-04-10 |
Like, in Mississippi, you may live to be morbidly obese to 65 but you're likely already on public assistance, medicare, and using a scooter to get around Wal-Mart. Also, do Wal-Mart's in other states have a proliferation of fat people on scooters?
Hell, wal marts in CANADA are filled with fatsos on scooters.
Jet Bin Fever
oh yeah, WalMart is to fat people what magnets are to iron filings.
|Xenocide - 2013-04-10 |
Finally, a practical use for Mississippi.
|Old_Zircon - 2013-04-10 |
"Fat Folk" is a good tag that isn't linked yet, just sayin'.
|Jet Bin Fever - 2013-04-10 |
Not even starting on the content, I think it's great that they subtitle the Mississippians.
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