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Old_Zircon
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-privatisation-of-water-nestle-den ies-that-water-is-a-fundamental-human-right/5332238
Riskbreaker
Man, a sequel to Quantum of Solace?
gravelstudios
Nestle is way worse than any American corporation. The best part is at the end, when he is talking about how life is better now than ever before (which I think is true), but he acts as if it was all private companies who did it, and that government didn't play a part at all.
SteamPoweredKleenex
Government makes sure your water has standards (unless it's run by those getting campaign donations from corporations). Corporations give us hexavalent chromium via PG&E and sell us tap water at grossly inflated prices in plastic bottles with no purity required (since it's from a regulated tap, usually) as "spring" water.

Fuck corporations trying to own every little damn thing. Where's my can of Perri-air?

chumbucket
A perfect example where the mind of corporate business can be so badly skewed from reality that it can't possibly do anything good for the world.

Old_Zircon
Also, corporations (at least in the US) are literally required by law to maximize quarterly returns for their shareholders, to the exclusion of all other concerns. Even if the price of water stayed the same after privatization, the money would be going to very different places.

SteamPoweredKleenex
Actually, there is no law that requires corporations to maximize profits. A lot of the time that fallacy stems from this case:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Company#Signi ficance

Strangely enough, I also ran across an article about how even if a Director is voted out of their position in a company, they apparently don't have to leave:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/13/business/sham-shareholder-de mocracy.html?_r=0

memedumpster
Nestlé CEO Peter Brabeck needs to get fucked to death by a giant robot donkey on fire.
Oscar Wildcat
More realistically, let's waterboard the guy with bottled Perrier. It's the Free Market Way, my son.

Old_Zircon
I would pay to see that. FREE MARKET AT WORK!

memedumpster
All we need is a Boston Dynamics Big Dog, a giant horse cock dildo, and fire. I don't know how many lines of python you'd have to write to make one of those fuck something, but it can't be more than it takes to make one not fall down a mountain.

Old_Zircon
The necessary code has already been developed.

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=7032

Oscar Wildcat
Goddamnit Meme, the Boston Dynamics Rape Dog was _my_ idea! How did you know this? Get out of my mind!

snothouse
Don't trust anyone who does the "power pyramid" with their hands.
fedex
truth

boner
I'm sick of the Swiss:
http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=6142
EvilHomer
But... water already HAS a market value! Public water supplies exist, yes, but it's not like anyone's preventing private companies from selling their own water products to interested consumers. Bottled water is a major marketable commodity, one that existed for centuries before advances in technology made the idea of "free" water commonplace, and one which has, if anything, *increased* in salable value despite it's hyper-abudance. Nestle ALREADY sells it's own brand of bottled water, and they probably own god-knows how many subsidary spring water brands. So what exactly is this guy complaining about?

And yeah, I agree with his critique of GM food paranoia... but correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the sort of consumers who buy organic (health-conscious, middle class people, with enough disposable income that they can afford to spend extra on luxury foodstuffs) THE SAME PEOPLE who shun free "tap water" and prefer buying quality bottled water and after-market water purification systems? Shouldn't Herr Nestle be embracing Birkenstock consumers with open arms? HEY DEMOGRAPHIC, YOU KNOW WHATS BETTER THAN ALL NATURAL FREE RANGE TOFU? FAIR TRADE SPRING WATER FROM FIJI THAT DOESN'T HAVE HOG PISS AND FLOURIDE IN IT. Boom, done, enjoy your sales figures.

How much are they paying him to be this much of retard?
Old_Zircon
The thing that bugs me about GMO paranoia is that people are all upset about these "health risks" that are mostly unconfirmed, but completely ignore the very serious real problem: Monsanto and a few other corporations shitting all over biodiversity for the sake of monopolizing the food supply. That alone is enough to make GMOs as they are currently implemented a huge threat to human wellbeing on a golbal scale, but people would rather get all worked up over their own misunderstanding of how the body processes proteins.

Gmork
GMOs are giving girls badonks at younger and younger ages. I say add more.

Old_Zircon
I thought that was growth hormones in animal feed and also that it was pretty much unsubstantiated.

Konversekid
Agreed Zircon. That and their monopolization basically holding food producers financially hostage based upon their intellectual property rights. They're incredibly coercive and destructive.

I've also heard puberty rates are going down more likely because of greater nutrition and calorie intake compared to past generations, which is pretty much the same reason that people are getting taller as well.

Konversekid
rates... I meant the age the age of puberty

gmol
GM respnsible for a loss of biodiversity? That is what agriculture sort of is.

Old_Zircon
GM as employed by Monsanto. GM doesn't HAVE to hurt biodiversity, but that's what it is being used for.

Old_Zircon
Konversekid, given the massive spike in the horrifying manchildren population over the past decade or two I'd accept "puberty rates" as a valid concept.

fatatty
I think you're thinking of female hormones in the water. Earlier puberty rates for girls, fish with both genitals and the emo phenomenon can all be linked to this.

Old_Zircon
The first two are OK but that third one...

gmol
What are you talking about Old Zircon? Agriculture breeds cultivars that are good for production...the act of agriculture decreases biodiversity.

SteamPoweredKleenex
Agriculture becomes a huge problem when it becomes a monoculture. It's how famines and blights happen. Also, cultivars are strains kept going through propagation, whereas Monsanto keeps splicing in new ways for their plants to survive being dunked in Round Up. It's now unaffordable for a farmer to NOT use Monsanto or other Round Up resistant seed and make a profit (perhaps smaller-scale organic farming can work, but that's just making a 'premium' product, and that can't sustain the food supply). This, coupled with Monsanto making it illegal to save seed from year to year and dragging its feet on releasing data about its patents when they're supposed to become public pretty much gives them a monopoly.

Even without monoculturing, we've lost food species. Ever hear the song "Yes, we have no bananas?" That wasn't just about a truck tipping over or a boat not coming in.

gmol
What patent data is Monsanto withholding? If it is a patent, it's disclosed in the patent.

I still don't understand what you are a saying about biodiversity. The practice of agriculture is an exercise in lowering biodiversity for specialization and efficiency. That's the story with bananas, and what you pay for in risk you get in efficiency, it's a tradeoff. If you think it's a dumb, by all means, go breed a new banana and sell it.

Old_Zircon
They don't make it illegal to save seed, they make it literally impossible. Their seeds are genetically engineered to produce plants that will not produce viable seeds, so every growing season new seeds have to be purchased from Monsanto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_use_restriction_technolo gy

Old_Zircon
gmol, the difference is that while biodiversity is restricted in traditional agriculture the changes happen over many generations and through the actions of many different agriculturalists and among other things that allows the cultivars to continue evolving. In the case of monsanto GMOs they are a monculture that has been engineered to not evolve at all since, you know, they can't actually reproduce.

Old_Zircon
I'm sure other, better read posters can explain it more thoroughly and clearly than I can.

gmol
OZ,
I have a good understanding of this stuff, I'm trying to show you that you need to improve yours.

You didn't tell me what patent data they are withholding (or how that statement even makes sense, since patented stuff is published). Nothing Monsanto does is preventing people from breeding new cultivars. GM on its own (even if you narrowly define "GM" as Monsanto crops) doesn't decrease biodiversity, new cultivars (as far as I know) are developed outside of production fields. I doubt anyone (Monsanto included) is thinking that agriculturalists should stop trying to find new cultivars.

SteamPoweredKleenex
It's the same way pharmacos are "evergreening" the patents on drugs that should be generic:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130405/09003022593/how-big- agribusiness-is-heading-off-threat-generics-failing-to-keep-patent -bargain.shtml

As for diversity in crops, a few people have listened, and if you actually eat fresh produce, go to the apple section. Eat a Red Delicious. After you've endured a bland (and often bitter) tasting apple that's the product of years of breeding for visual appeal, go try just about any other kind: Braeburn, Fuji, Gala, Honeycrisp, etc. You'll get a better tasting apple, often sweeter and juicier with a longer shelf life than its poorly named Red Delicious cousin who suffers from inbreeding. Thankfully, I don't think Monsanto has patented a line of fruit trees.

What's stopping cultivars? The mass market's appetite. The requirements of crop-to-yield ratios for profitability require Roundup Ready genes in staple crops. We've come to expect such high yields that no naturally-bred varieties can compete. Short of something wiping out the seed crop, it's Monsanto forever for the majority of the foods you and I eat, and their lawyers are going to make sure it stays that way. You could breed a magical soybean that fights cancer and re-grows hair, but without RR in its DNA, the costs to produce enough for the mass market are so prohibitive, it's the specialty market or nothing; it wouldn't see cultivation in most large farms.

gmol
But we do have lots of different cultivars, and it works just fine. Our tomatoes are prettier (just less tasty), no GM there, just plain 'ol breeding. Here is a whole list of new ones:

http://www.lsuagcenter.com/en/lawn_garden/home_gardening/veget ables/home_garden_crops/Newest+Cultivars+of++Vegetable+Crops.htm
None of our wheat is GM. It's really just corn and soy so the meat eaters out there can have cheap and tasty bacon. So where do you get the idea that no one is making new cultivars, or why consumers wouldn't want innovation? They do, and new cultivars are happening all the time. Look at the diversity in your grocery store, you didn't have kiwis before about 20 years ago. Tangelos? Pomelos? Broccoflour? Purple carrots? Texmati rice? No one in the west ate tofu until very long ago...Seriously, we have it pretty good; and GM isn't really part of the story here.

The fact is we have production fields which are essentially monocultures, an efficient way to produce food. That doesn't prevent us from keeping diverse reserves...


I can't wait until we get mangosteens....

urbanelf
I don't get it. How do I have a right to a limited resource that takes effort to produce unless I have a right to other people's labor?
Old_Zircon
Because we are primates who, through a combination of gross overpopulation and all sorts of other factors, are living in an environment of limited resources. without the (entirely human constructed) concept of "rights" we would revert back to murdering and exploiting each other to maximize our share of those resources jsut like what happened when Jane Goodall unintentionally created a banana economy in the group of chimps she was studying and caused warfare between chimp factions that has never been observed before or since.

Oh wait, too late.

memedumpster
What human invented water?

Raggamuffin
Because a civilized society recognizes the basic human right to life, for which water is essential. This is the same reason you have the right not to be murdered, for example.

Old_Zircon
Even from a purely utilitarian perspective, a society that doesn't provide the fundamental necessities for survival to its populace is doing more harm than good and will inevitably collapse. It's literally the primary function of society.

memedumpster
Social darwinism demands that in order to ensure the survival of the most humans, social darwinists must be exterminated.

Gmork
Now you're talkin'!

Old_Zircon
I'm not sold unless you can find a way to work the evolutionary psychologists into the equation too.

urbanelf
Memedumpster, humans didn't invent water, but it can take effort to dig a well or desalinate sea water.

Ragamuffin, the fact that water is essential to life is irrelevant. I could have a rare cancer that, without expensive medical treatment, will kill me. That doesn't mean that I have a right to have that medical treatment.

Water is a physical resource. The only way to deliver it is with labor. If you have a right to it, then you have a right to other people's labor.

You guys are a bunch of fuckin' commies.

sosage
Pure evil.

He's either a mad king that believes his own bullshit or, most likely, a fucking con artist.
Old_Zircon
You can be a con artist on this scale without convincing yourself first.

Nikon
This guy is a waste of space.
Konversekid
*Writes Peter Brabeck onto list titled "First bus to the gulag"
Koda Maja
Nestlé has since responded to criticism from this on their website.

"What is your position on the human right to water?

Nestlé recognises the right of all people to have access to clean water to meet their basic needs, which include daily hydration, cooking and hygiene."


http://www.nestle-waters.com/question-and-answers/english/what -is-your-position-on-the-human-right-to-water
Old_Zircon
Now they need to release a position statement on words meaning things.

Senator_Unger
I thought the people of Europe murdered enough of their ruling class that they learned not to try this shit anymore. Looks like they need a refresher course.
EvilHomer
It doesn't matter. Europeans are just naturally predisposed to becoming tyrants. You murder this guy, and three more Europeans will rise to take his place.

Binro the Heretic
Seriously, how evil does someone have to be to find themselves on the business end of an angry mob in this day and age?
Old_Zircon
Xbox is more fun than defending fundamental human rights.

CornOnTheCabre
this guy is shit incarnate, but when I think of angry mobs in a historical context, the first thing that comes to mind isn't exactly "defending fundamental human rights"

memedumpster
I actually thought of Frankenstein's monster burning to death in the windmill.

Starving villagers burning their source of food production to kill the wrong monster. To kill the most victimized by the real monster they will never see or know.

Old_Zircon
Touche

cognitivedissonance
So, he'd actively illegalize the relatively easy step of making a backyard air still with a plastic tarp and a coffee can? As long as there's SOME moisture in the air, it can be harvested for free. Granted, I'm a biased Northwesterner and I'm pretty certain it will be another few centuries before we up here actually have water rights issues, so whatevs.
Senator_Unger
Wait for the PSAs to start: You wouldn't steal a car! You wouldn't rob a bank! Why would you distill your own water?!

Old_Zircon
HOME RAINWATER COLLECTION IS KILLING DRINKING

memedumpster
Every time a poor person drinks naturally collected water, it drives up the costs on everyone else.

Fuck you, poors, you fucking ruin all of life.

cognitivedissonance
The sound quality on your water is inferior, due to file compression. Throw your water out and return to vinyl.

memedumpster
You can store more positive vibe data in pulse encoded square waves.

SteamPoweredKleenex
Of course that should be illegal. It's a public resource, belonging to all, not just you!

Until it belongs to HIM, then fuck you and the public.

See how that works? It can be applied to a whole lot of other "commodities," but few seem to make the effort.

Old_Zircon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjK5d0_Yd8Y

That guy
Other non-rights: clean air, space, any concepts or values since they are man-made.

I'd like to see this guy get the pitchfork-and-torches treatment, and all the while they're coming for him, he locks himself in his gold bathroom and mumbles out a jeremiad about what unenlightened, grabby primates they are.
Jet Bin Fever
The face of evil.
deuteranomalous
Pure evil.

On my island there is a permit being issued to dump toxic soil in a quarry on a hill above a lake that provides drinking water for 7000 people and that may be connected with another aquifer for 400000 people.

The company behind this travesty also just opened a bottled water store in the area village.

www.fraserforshawnigan.ca
Rodents of Unusual Size
Good God, this scares me.

Water is one of our most precious resources and corporations are ruining our water supply faster than it can be replenished.

Rodents of Unusual Size
I haven't read through all this but nothing Nestle does surprises me. They killed tons of babies in Africa by giving mother's formula milk that babies then became dependent on, and the result was mothers not being able to feed their infants. It's times like this I wish I believed in Hell and I wish I could create a version of it just for people like this. I hate him. I want him to die. A lot. As in I want him to die multiple times over and over. I hate you, you Eurotrash shithead.
dowstroyer666
Can I stand outside my house and sell one cent bottles of tap water filtered yet or will I be arrested and sued by nestle or coke or pepsi?
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