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Desc:Separating the sheepdogs from the sheepmen
Category:Educational, Religious
Tags:guns, 2nd Amendment, Paranoid Fantasist, Sheepdog
Submitted:Chocolate Jesus
Date:06/06/13
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Spastic Avenger
I'm not liking this Punisher reboot at all.
Old_Zircon
Oh man, I've been starting to see this "sheepdog" meme pop up in MENZ stuff online, and it's really, really stupid.

For example:

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/05/14/are-you-a-sheep-or-sh eepdog/
PegLegPete
As far as I can tell it comes from "On Killing" by Dave Grossman, check out his wiki page. I saw parts of his lectures based on the book when I was in the military. In it he separates people into two categories: sheep and sheepdogs - and insists that sheep can become sheepdogs. You can kinda guess where he's going with it. Grossman is also against violent video games and such, but I suggest you check it out yourself if you're interested. I'd say it's worth paying attention to because it's interesting and gaining popularity, but I don't think his arguments are particularly strong.

Cena_mark
The use of the word "sheep" is one of the most obnoxious and arrogant aspects of the conspiracy theorist. "You sheep listening to the lamestream media, you should be an independent thinker like me and listen to Alex Jones."

PegLegPete
Forgot the last person category: wolf.

Old_Zircon
I read some excerpts from On Killing in a review someplace when it cae out and that was the impression I got - not necessarily the strongest arguments in the world but a perspective worth reading (I haven't gotten around to it yet, though). I should check it out finally.

Old_Zircon
I can't think of any system of categorizing people as "types" that I've encountered that wasn't pretty suspect, though. At the very least they're reductionist to the point of uselessness in terms of actually gaining insight into people.

Old_Zircon
I have a very strong suspicion that this guy is not was Grossman (or even the author of that article I posted) had in mind at all.

Old_Zircon
For one thing, I'm pretty sure that law enforcement (in its ideal non-dysfunctional form anyway) is pretty squarely under the umbrella what the guy in that article is calling "sheep dogs."

Old_Zircon
To be fair, I could only make it about 1/3 of the way through part 1.

EvilHomer
PegLeg - Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Colonel Grossman *against* the idea of turning everyone into killer sheepdogs? Like, I dunno, random civvies with chin straps who slouch when they stand?

I mean, I know he's real pro-military, pro-social-order, but I also know that the crux of his arguments against video games are that they expose too many average "sheep" people to stressors psychologically similar to those found in combat and emergency situations. When he said it's a good thing for sheep to become sheepdogs, I was under the impression he meant, he wanted more people to go get trained and become EMTs or soldiers or cops or Coasties. Not that random gun nuts would buy some DX-ed gear and stand around making home videos with their shotguns.

Old_Zircon
That's what I got from the part of the article I read, for sure.

Old_Zircon
A mixture of that and "do your best to do right by the people around you in times of crisis."

EvilHomer
Yeah, I found an excerpt here:

www.killology.co m/sheep_dog.htm

Doesn't seem to be anything in there about this dude and his toughguy LARP.

(oh, and for the curious: yes, that is Colonel Grossman's official website. Yes, it is called "Killology". That is the field in which he studies. "Killology".)

BorrowedSolution
I HOLD ADVANCED DEGREES IN MURDEROLOGY -AND- MURDERONEMY!

chumbucket
Sheepdog for the Sheeple?
Old People
"Is he in the Army? Is he in law enforcement? No; I'm neither one of those things." Goddamn right. Pussies like this wash right out of Infantry Basic, usually in the first week or so, as they come to realize that it is genuine preparation for ugly real-world violence, run by serious-minded adults, far from the soft-bellied fantasy they've built from mom and dad's basement, which is what they scuttle right on back to.
These creeps appear to be cropping up everywhere, like ugly dangerous little mushrooms on a dank pile of excrement. Our country's childish fascination with what it imagines combat to be is disconcerting in a world power with so many guns and nukes. Iraq was just an irritated twitch; God help the human race if the American public ever really demands we lash out at someone.

P.S. He thinks the beard gives him a chin! But he is wrong.
EvilHomer
For you.

I bet he plays a mean game of Call of Duty, though.

memedumpster
I don't recall the American public demanding war in Iraq beyond a minority of the wealthy and their inbred slaves, no one sane did. Also, one in eight white supremacists is military trained and no one even cares about rape anymore. While I agree that this person is UGH, just pure noise, your reaction is also painting a fairy tale depiction of the military, which is also a sloppy, terrible, murdering mess.

EvilHomer
The war's over, meme. Your side lost.

StanleyPain
"I'm not some lunatic who's going to run into a theater and murder innocent people for no reason."
No, you'll just murder a whole bunch of innocent people for what your mind perceives to be a GOOD reason. Just like every other "responsible" gun owner who loses it and suicides by cop.

I recently went looking for a new everyday bag as my current one is starting to age a bit and I figured I would try to get something similar (I use a faux-military surplus ammo bag or something) so I went to a local army surplus type place and basically ran into 5 or 6 of these types of fuckheads who all assumed I wanted a new bag for EVERDAY CARRY (which, if you haven't heard of it, it's this loser subculture of people who carry apocalypse gear and guns with them everywhere on a daily basis just incase OBAMA APPEARS AND SUMMONS THE ANTICHRIST BEFORE THEM or whatever). They all got into this circle-jerk of a conversation all talking about the shit that they carry with them in their EDC bags (which, oddly, none of them had with them). I decided to stick to mail-order.
The Mothership
No, you probably wouldn't massacre strangers in a movie theater for no reason. but you probably would shoot someone if a charismatic authority figure told you that by doing so you would protect Americans.
mouser
That's a reason.

Bort
This guy could have a career as a Chris Elliott impersonator.
Old_Zircon
Oh man, I didn't really get this until I scrolled down while the video was playing, but the voice is uncanny.

Old_Zircon
I bet those guys were trying to steal his Mr. Underwater Watch.

Crab Mentality
That just pushes it over the edge.

Bort
His face isn't far off, his build is about right, and damn if he isn't dressed to battle Paperboy 2000.

Jet Bin Fever
A real American hero!
THA SUGAH RAIN
I don't want to be a sheepman or whatever if it means I have to get those horrible wall treatments.
freedoom
he got them free with his knee pads.

Boomer The Dog
I like him saying 'I'm a Sheepdog' I need that for a sound bite. He can change the meaning, but he's still calling himself a Dog.. :)
Bort
Ain't no sheepdog like Boomer, and that's a fact.

Boomer The Dog
Yup, mine is being the actual Dog. Did you see me on Taboo on tuesday? I tried to figure out how the PM Homer or someone here but couldn't find out how.

Boomer
EvilHomer
Oh, really? No, I wasn't aware you were going to be on that show, but that's awesome! Congrats, Boomer. I hope you had fun!

If you can find a version of that episode online, would you like to post it? If not, do you mind if I post it for you?

Boomer The Dog
Hi Homer I tried to embed their video on my own site but it didn't play for me for some reason.

I had so much fun doing the shoot with them, they were great and really into it, and plus I got to be a Dog the whole time!

I wouldn't mind if you'd post it, if you can.

http://boomerthedog.net Media has the video links on it.

Boomer

simon666
He's not going to murder innocent people for "no reason," which I take to mean he is going to murder innocent people for some reason, however.
simon666
Oh, just saw StanlyPain's post.

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