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Desc:Of course, it's because you'd remove all other welfare programs
Category:News & Politics
Tags:welfare, Fox Business, Stuart Varney, employment, basic income
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Date:11/17/13
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Grandmaster Funk
I think this is actually the most cogent discussion I've ever seen on Fox News.

I mean, yeah, in the real world, I believe SNAP is a holy cow that can never ever be cut and which we should expand and dump money into forever. There is something empowering about the idea of trusting poor people to know best what to spend their money on, though. If it's drugs, hey, that's small business.

Of course, I'd advocate a nice single payer health system on the side, too, not some libertarian paradise where you're free to spend your entire basic income on a barely adequate private health plan and then starve, like this droid probably imagines.
infinite zest
I think it's a good idea; I know a lot of people who take advantage of their SNAP benefits.. if there's issues with the notion that people would piss their money away on alcohol and cigarettes, keep in mind that there was a time when there was a generic "Beer" and "Cigarettes" that could be purchased via food stamps at one time.

When I got laid off, I went on UI and used my remaining 16 dollars a month for Food Stamps to buy about 160 dollars worth of Top Ramen at Wal Mart. I'd much rather have 2,800 dollars so I could actually do something, like A.) Support local businesses or B.) kickstart my own business venture or C.) start a band or something. I actually agree with Fox News for once.
The God of Biscuits
Basic income is a great idea, and yes you would remove all other welfare programs (other than healthcare, which should be free), and remove the minimum wage.

It will never work in the US because too many people get pissed that some people won't work. As if everyone works now or even as if everyone SHOULD work now.
Nominal
Not just work, but ANY benefit should be denied to a hundred people if it means that one of them might "get away" with abusing it. Welfare, voting rights, due process, healthcare, you name it.

I still get a kick out of the old articles that predicted advances in automation would lead to a golden age where everyone would hardly have to work. The automation and increased efficiency happened, but the rich just pocketed the difference and kept everyone working for them. Anyone fucked by the dwindling number of meaningful jobs combined with the continued rise of living costs can...well, get fucked. Kids can ask their grandparents to tell them bedtime stories of /hour factory jobs right out of high school and other fairy tales like "pensions", "vacation days", and "sick leave".

The most glaring injustice is rent prices not only constantly going up, but constantly spiraling out of control to the tune of 9% increases a year in some places. The old rule that rent shouldn't be more than one-third of your take home pay seems like hopeful insanity to young people today.

Fuck I'm all over the place tonight. My point is, every time I hear a boomer - the generation that grew up during THE SINGLE MOST PROSPEROUS PERIOD FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY - complain about how lazy and entitled young people are today, I have to pop a vein resisting the urge to strangle them.

Nominal
Oh, and the fact that all that prosperity and opportunity was provided by a hefty tax on the rich so we could stay out of debt , provide for the poor, and drive down college tuition costs to allow unprecedented economic mobility.

Things which boomers were determined to scrap the instant they were comfortably set up thanks to those opportunities. All so they wouldn't have to pay back their share for the next generation to enjoy the same.

badideasinaction
A small town in Manitoba tried it in a pilot project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome

tl;dr the people who stopped working were moms to raise their kids and students who no longer had to trade off going to school versus help provide for their families. In other words people who genuinely benefited from it.

cognitivedissonance
My boss and I were talking about food stamp abuse, and we both agreed that food stamp abuse would be solved by giving them food stamps in six month lumps. The abusers would starve to death. I know the blah blah about the Welfare Queen stereotype, but I also have a pair of eyes and I'm positioned to see it daily.
Nominal
Well as long as people are dying off it's okay then. It's not like there aren't any workhouses.

Bort
Big frowny face on that plan.

As much as I've griped about the poor people I know who waste food, my frustration isn't that they are being inefficient with benefits that they do not appreciate enough -- my frustration is that they are making bad choices that leave them hungry for some portion of the month. If they were getting through the whole month and then throwing away remaining food just because they could, that would be one thing; but throwing away food and then going hungry is just stupid.

If anything, I'd rather see SNAP distributed on a biweekly basis, to distribute the "famine" phase.

cognitivedissonance
I've said for years that food stamps should be conditional on graduation of a basic home economics course. The agribusiness lobby disagrees with me, and demands more free benefits for Nabisco, Lay's, M&M/Mars and ConAgra.

Nominal
and when are we going to get around to that voting literacy test?

Gmork
HURP DURP IF YOU EVER SPENT MONEY ON TATTOOS EVER YOU DONT DESERVE UNEMPLOYMENT HURP DUUUUUUURP
Lef
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