Bobonne  - 2013-11-23
Yeah, fuck those people. They eventually evicted him and shipped him off to Quebec, where he'd pushed another senior citizen (also his landlady at the time, I think) down the stairs.
I'm not sure that virtually the entire population of this city has hated someone so unanimously as that guy. Insert Trudeau jokes here.
Five for evil.
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BorrowedSolution - 2013-11-23 Yeah, as mentioned on another video, my dad's all about this nonsense. He's actually the one who pointed me to this video. He thought it was quite amusing; you can imagine how impressed I am with him at the moment.
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BorrowedSolution - 2013-11-25 Hahahahahaha. Yeah, he doesn't 'believe' in medical science, either. Or science in general, for that matter. He pulls the whole "It's just another world-view, like religion!" shit. Attempts to point out that the Bible is useless for doing things like designing technology, saving lives, etc. etc., fall on deaf ears. As it stands I just do my best to point out the complete bat-shittery of most of what he says, and then shake my head and walk away when I've had enough moonbat-speak.
This video in particular pissed me off, because he (my father) espouses a "Do no harm to another person" world-view, but found this a hilarious application of his shattered world-view. Clearly, this isn't the same as some idiot going off and living on a piece of Crown land (we're in Canada), where at least they're not directly causing trouble to anybody else. This is some asshole fucking with an old lady, but once you've fed into this level of irrationality, having your hypocrisies pointed out to you is next to useless.
TL;DR. If I was in a position to have him committed for an evaluation, I'd leap at the chance, but I'm currently being treated for my own problems so he can just be a crazy asshole for all I care.
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StanleyPain - 2013-11-23
This guy was evicted forcibly and put in jail shortly after this video was made. When they went inside, they found a sign on the door that said "First Nations Sovran Embassy" This fuck basically ruined the property and caused thousands of dollars worth of damage.
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Nominal - 2013-11-23
These are the worst people.
They're like a grown up version of kids who run away from home by moving into their tree house, only way more violent and dangerous and after skimming through a skewed history of law.
They even mimic the little kid runaway behavior of putting put signs and posters around their tree fort.
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Rodents of Unusual Size - 2013-11-24
So does Canada have the ability to respond to anything, ever?
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exy - 2013-11-24
It's not like they grew up in a highly developed culture with an existing massive infrastructure and public services in place to help bring them safely through life. So why not just try and live the life Lord Humongous would want us to lead?
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GravidWithHate - 2013-11-24
If anyone's interested in the Canadian legal system's view on these people, here's Meads v. Meads: http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571. html
One hundred seventy six pages or so of a judge with inhuman patience analyzing all of the extant theories of Canadian 'Sovereign citizens' and responding to them.
The interesting bit for me is when he talks about the "Gurus"; people make money selling these crackpot legal ideas, the way they make money selling homeopathy or naturopathy or any other species of life destroying magical thinking special snowflake bullshit. If there's a response it needs to be targeting the people who promote this kind of stupidity as a solution to people, sometimes to people with very real tax or legal problems.
While I'm on it my favourite case that cites Meads:
http://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2013/2013oncj160/2013oncj 160.html
R. v Duncan. Sovereign citizen is pulled over by the RCMP after making a turn without signalling, his confrontation with them ends with him being tazered and arrested; at trial he claims the court has no jurisdiction over him, and is acquitted. The judge explained:
"it is not an offence merely to make a turn or lane-change without signalling. ... [it is an offense to turn without signalling] if the operation of any other vehicle may be affected by the movement... If no lawful basis for the stop has been articulated, there was no lawful basis for the demand for identification. If there was no lawful demand for identification, the arrest for the alleged �failure to identify�[7] was unlawful. If the arrest was unlawful, assuming that Mr. Duncan resisted as described, he was entitled to do so."
"Mr. Duncan is entitled to his acquittal and none should begrudge him it." He may be a lunatic crackpot wasting everyone's valuable time, but he hadn't broken the law, so he's free to go. Sadly he's probably just taken it as a sign his magic spells worked.
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Bobonne - 2013-11-24 My mom used to work for Alberta Justice (department). She had some stories to tell about what dealing with them was like. EVERYONE in the legal profession, from cops to prosecutors to judges, and everyone in-between, knows about them and views having to deal with them like would deal with their house suddenly being swallowed up by a sinkhole.
She'd never heard of them as 'Sovereign Citizens', though, just as 'Fremen on the Land'. She did know that they like to quote American constitutional arguments and think they mean anything in another country, though, which they seem to do all the time in honest earnestness.
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GravidWithHate - 2013-11-24 They're big fans of the Magna Carta as well. One particular theory is to ask questions about it, and when the government official (invariably) refuses to answer on the grounds that it has nothing to do with driving without plates/owing twenty seven thousand dollars and change in taxes/anything at all relevant, they claim that this invalidates the government official's right to hold a particular office because of clause 45 of the Magna Carta.
The other frustrating thing is I can totally see where they're coming from; if you don't get how the law or society works a tax seizure of property seems to boil down to: "Okay, I have some complex writing on a fancy piece of paper, I have sent you a letter about it, and this means I can now direct people to take your house". It's not surprising people who don't know how things really work come up with and fall for cargo cult versions of the law.
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