Bort  - 2014-01-17
Nice work finding this Shives fella!
It's telling that Communists and Libertarians make the same basic mistake (i.e., assuming that everyone will be reasonable in the absence of government), but Communists do a better job of recognizing the problem and compensating. But then again, Communism is an entire system of thought and not (in general) a flimsy excuse for selfishness.
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Old_Zircon - 2014-01-17 I think I heard about him on here, actually.
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Cena_mark - 2014-01-17 He kinda looks like Dusty, but he's more sensible and less irritating.
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pyslexic dharmacist - 2014-01-20 Communism is based on the assumption that the majority of people *won't* be reasonable, and government is necessary to compensate....until people learn to be reasonable.
If they learn to be reasonable.
Or at least ostracize the selfish dicks out of society.
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Cena_mark - 2014-01-17
I grew up in a Republican household and in becoming a libertarian I felt cool and brilliant. You feel better than a Republican since you're not bashing the gays and you seem super cool since you want pot to be legalized. In the end it just didn't make sense. Things that would cause to feel cognitive dissonance would stuff like the early 1900s. I'd keep telling myself that private industry would have fixed canned goods on their own so that people wouldn't die of botulism. or that we didn't need unions to fix the working man's lot. There are too many delusions in that area to keep afloat.
Thanks POETV for leading me out of this terrible ideology.
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Billy the Poet - 2014-01-17 I'm guessing that the "became a better person after exposure to the internet" club is a pretty small one. But I'm happy you're in it, Cena.
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gravelstudios - 2014-01-17 I would say that POETV has played no small part in my own personal development. Incidentally, I live in the same region as Steve Shives, so I have a front row seat to a lot of the local stuff he talks about in some of his videos. I believe we even went to the same college.
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Jet Bin Fever - 2014-01-21 Although I do miss the face paint, Mark.
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glasseye - 2014-01-17
Gold.
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memedumpster - 2014-01-17
I'm really enjoying the poeTV Educational Series Day.
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Caminante Nocturno - 2014-01-17
To restate something I'm certain I've said on here before, libertarians are people who are too stupid to realize that they're anarchists.
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Bort - 2014-01-17 That's Teabaggers for sure. Libertarians I think of more as the ultimate in mooches, while accusing everyone else of moochery.
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Cena_mark - 2014-01-17 There are various levels of libertarians. Some more extreme than others. I was a near anarchist.
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badideasinaction - 2014-01-17 There's a difference between Libertarians and Anarchists - Libertarians expect that their money will allow them to buy all the protections they want (i.e. all the ones they benefit directly from) back while leaving the "moochers" to rot.
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Cherry Pop Culture - 2014-01-17 One of the people in my social group is an over-opinionated libertarian. She receives government money every month and says she wants the government out of her business. I thought i was the only person who knew someone like this :/
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Old_Zircon - 2014-01-17 anarchism = "We are equal"
Libertarianism = "UR NOT THE BOSS OF ME"
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Anaxagoras - 2014-01-17
I like this chap. I shall doff my monocle in his honor this evening.
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Hooker - 2014-01-17
It's astonishing to me that the Internet version of libertarianism (i.e., the crazy, uncompromising, Randian style) is not immediately identified by people as wild, pungent horseshit. I remember my first experiences with it in like 2000. At the politically-minded places on the Internet I would frequent, all the conservative/Republicans would either disappear/rereg or change their tune and became libertarians. Their core ideas didn't change with the exception of:
1) Half-hearted lip service language denouncing drug use because of the psychological problems / family disruption / funding cartels became enthusiastic DRUGS ARE AWESOME!
2) Vehement homophobia became half-hearted lip service language approving of "whatever gays want to do in the privacy of their own homes is their decision but they should not tread on my liberty to sit in the park by opening holding hands with one another."
3) Private industry is great became private industry is AWESOME!!!!!! (Also, the only thing wrong with Hong Kong is all the asians)
I'm convinced that libertarians are born from fucking ludicrously entitled rich kids, people embarrassed to call themselves Republicans, or people that are just right-wingers that think libertarianism is this cool new trend and not the most embarrassingly stupid I'm-building-my-own-society-and-none-of-you-are-invited childish shit that's been around since humans first started hating other humans.
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Hooker - 2014-01-17 Also, and this is fundamental to why you've heard the term "libertarian" so much over the past fifteen years, people identify as libertarians because they want to pay as little in taxes as possible. None at all, if possible.
It's very telling that libertarianism is right-wing in terms of financial ideology (anti-regulation, anti-public ownership, anti-taxation) but extremely left-wing, far moreso than mainstream American liberalism, in social ideology (you can do _whatever_ the fuck you want as long as it's you by yourself or with consenting adults, which includes cults, writing the most obscene hate speech, burning effigies on your front lawn, etc.). Nevertheless, no libertarian you see parading around ever talks about the social aspect of the ideology, and often when pressed, abandon libertarian ideas. It's entirely a fuck paying taxes thing.
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pyslexic dharmacist - 2014-01-20 I've heard plenty of libertarians talk about the social ideology, however, they adopt the same attitude as Christians who think they're persecuted: freedom = freedom to do what I want, not freedom to do what I disagree with.
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