|EvilHomer - 2014-02-26 |
Dr Drew is such a dork. Who mistakes Spike for Rainbow Dash?!?
This brony friend of yours seems like a very pleasant guy, and I'm glad he stayed graceful under pressure. It's a pity he choked on that last question: the obvious answer was, "Well, Dr Drew, Bronies watch it for the plot!"
The guest was kind of ganged up on, but what Dr. Drew and the other dorks don't get beyond the pony fandom is how today its far less taboo to be an adult who enjoys cartoons. This as a whole has led to cartoons being taken a lot more seriously and created with adults in mind. With that the brony thing isn't really that odd.
Are there seriously people who still make a big stink about adults watching cartoons? Not specifically ponies, but any cartoons at all?
It's been a quarter century since The Simpsons preimered. I wasn't aware there were still non-senile people who held this view.
I was meaning the adult audience for "children's" cartoons. I know plenty of folks who like Family Guy but will give you crap for watching something like Gravity Falls or Adventure Time.
Mr. Purple Cat Esq.
Imo you need to be more intelligent and discerning to appreciate adventure time vs. family guy. The writing on family guy is aimed at simpletons.
Seven Arts/H8 Red
Dr. Drew's done voiceovers for Robot Chicken, Metalocalypse, My Gym Partner's a Monkey, Family Guy, and Minoriteam. Hell, he was interviewed on Space Ghost Coast to Coast.
If Hasbro Studios offered Dr. Drew and a Klondike bar to do a voiceover for MLP:FiM, I don't think Dr. Drew would turn the offer down.
But the thing is, My Little Pony is written specifically for little kids with little kid themes and little kid levels of social lessons. It isn't anything like Adventure Time, let alone Simpsons or Metalocalypse.
There isn't a single adult or even universal aspect of the show. I could see parents liking it as a not-painful show to watch with their kids, but kid-less adults obsessing over it is just sad, like a 30 year old bachelor whose fridge is full of jars of Gerber's mashed banana because he "likes the taste".
Doesn't matter how tasty the mush is. It's still mush for kiddies.
Granted it does follow the formula where there's a lesson at the end of the episode, but I don't really care about that part. Its the characters and the humor that are the main draw. Just because it isn't a banal bunch of random like Adventure Time doesn't make it any less appealing for adults.
Yeah, Cena's right. Adventure Time is a show about a tweenage little boy who stays up way past his bedtime having whacky adventures with a talking dog. My Little Pony is a show about independent twenty-somethings who deal with careers, college, and juggling their own needs and responsibilities with the sometimes tricky business of being a good friend. I'm sorry, Nominal, but WHICH show has "little kid themes"?
Hell, I'd probably go so far as to say MLP is *more* grownup than even Metalocalypse (a good show, so please don't misconstrue the following as an attack on Metalocalypse or it's fans - EH). Now, Metalocalypse is certainly not a "kid's show", I'll give you that and unlike MLP (which prides itself on having timeless themes that can be enjoyed by an entire family), I cannot see any way in which a person under the age of ten would get much out of Metalocalypse (unless said kid was especially badass, like me when I was little). But I put it to you that this does not mean the show is "grown up" - it's simply geared towards a different age range of kid, that is, a hormonal twelve-to-sixteen year old. Violence and drug jokes and zombies are all very well and good, but it's all very sophomoric, all very teenage-rebel. I submit that it takes a lot of grown-up emotional sophistication to watch a show that DOESN'T rely on R-rated themes to drive the plot, but instead chooses to focus on uplifting messages about community, loyalty, and decency. People can't stay fourteen all their lives. Part of growing up is growing young again.
But then, you are a G1 fan, are you not Nominal? G1 was indeed very childish, both in terms of writing and in terms of theme, so I guess I can understand where your misconceptions come from. BUT! If you really want to stick by your guns, I challenge you to watch a few episodes of FiM and point out for us _exactly what parts_ are "little kids mush" that are forbidden to TRUE OFFICIAL ADULTS™ who watch Adventure Time and cartoons aimed at teenage stoners.
|Cena_mark - 2014-02-26 |
From the expressions Bruce Campbell is making I'm thinking he really does have a ponytail butt plug.
What really sucks about this show is how you have a host and 4 other contributors picking on a single guest. What kind of interview format is that?
|infinite zest - 2014-02-26 |
I've been on POE long enough to accept anything as a choice, as long as that choice is not PUA culture or some other culture that promotes hate, violence, etc. Remember Derek the Dragon Ball Z Cosplay guy? poe-red straight-up pissed me off with their relentless trolling of that poor kid, even though I too laughed at the pictures when I first saw it.
People like to do stuff and dress in certain ways. I, myself, may be considered "hipster," and hear a lot of shit about my kind out there too. I didn't really know what a brony was until I asked a kid at a show I was working what his shirt meant.. it said "keep calm and brony on" because my parents have all that King's Speech stuff around their house, and he explained it to me. I carried on.
A friend of mind made fun of Derek's girl friend on Live Journal so Derek challenged him to a fight. I ended up having some crazy discussions with him over Instant Messenger. The guy is kind of nuts. The fight never went down because he kept insisting we head on over to Augusta and we couldn't convince him to come to Atlanta. It wasn't worth coming to Augusta for that.
I've never actually seen the new show, but I remember specific rules when I was a kid: My little pony = girls. GI Joe = boys. And so I don't completely "get" it, kind of like my dad kind of doesn't completely "get" homosexuality or our grandparents probably kind of didn't "get" civil rights.
The part where I wanted to punch my monitor was when she was like "oh you're gay, so you get a bit of a pass.." it's like interviewing a white rapper and being like "oh you're part black, so you get a pass." Jesus fucking christ.
My friend did chill out. That feud with Derek was over 10 years ago.
I was POETV's harshest critic of the show, and one thing I could't over come was the "girl cartoon" thing. Granted it is made for a female demographic, but I do find it sad that a show can't have a mostly female cast without it being a "girly" show. Granted my argument that this should be overcome isn't helped by the fact that the show not only features a mostly female cast but a cast of pastel ponies, however, at the core of anti-brony concerns is the fear of the loss of traditional gender roles. The same type of folks who hate bronies also can't stand stay-at-home dads or female firefighters.
Yeah, I remember the original My Little Pony; how it was "for girls" and I wasn't supposed to watch it. I actually saw an episode when I was in preschool, and I felt immensely guilty for having done so; I've got vivid memories of going to school the next day, and not knowing whether or not I should admit to my friends the horrible thing I'd done. And when the new show came out, and all these Internet People started talking about it, that was again the first thing I thought: My Little Pony, Jesus, that show's for girls!
In retrospect, I made the right call with TOS; the first generation really is a lame show that can only be appreciated by feminine children (girl or girly-boy). But FiM is nothing like that, and while it lacks the crudeness and cruelty of most traditional "male" entertainment, it's certainly not girly. In fact, I'd argue that it's got the most intelligent, nuanced, and dare I say grown-up approach to gender of any show to date, cartoon or otherwise! It's a show that neither forces females into traditional gender roles, nor condemns them if traditional roles are what they chose. Applejack is a total breadwinner, Rarity is a hopeless lipstick drama queen; Rainbow Dash is a rough'n'tumble tomboy, Fluttershy is a sweet, nurturing Madonna; yet all of these ponies are friends, and they are friends in a natural way, that does not preach or call attention to their differences like it's somehow strange to see people with different outlooks managing to get along.
In fact, the biggest irony of all this "Bronies must be femmes" stuff is that the only gender issue the show DOESN'T address is that of effeminate men! All of the major male characters are pretty solid masculine types, except maybe for Spike, who is quite cis and hetero, but hopelessly beta and constantly being emasculated by Rarity and Twilight. He might turn jailhouse gay or possibly even into a TFL serial killer, but not even he fits the mold of "girly man".
I think it's ironic that the same people who would ridicule a Bronie (is it 'Brony' or 'Bronie?') are the same people who praise the Powerpuff Girls.
But whatever I was always a Rowdyruff Boys fan myself.
I think a big problem with the bullying panel here is that they didn't do their research. I still haven't seen an episode, but it's definitely not the same MLP any more than 90s Barbie was to 50s Barbie. If I recall correctly, 90s Barbie was the one who went to work and Ken was the one who was the stay-at-home-dad with the baby.
If I suddenly became a "Kennie," let's say.. a lot of people, especially an older generation who grew up with the old paradigm would raise eyebrows, and that's fair. It's something different, new, and maybe slightly odd. You know what fuck it so was punk rock. Find any homophobic self-proclaimed "punk" with a Dead Kennedy's t-shirt on and explain to them the word's etymology and see what happens.
If you are a professional talk-show host or guest and want to criticize anyone's lifestyle, make sure you know what you're criticizing before pigeon-holing it.
Sorry to be so ranty but these "professionals" do not deserve the jobs that they have, especially that blonde bitch.
When I was a kid I'd get these singing gigs at those American Girl fashion shows, where little girls dress up like the dolls and go up and down the runway. I was a child model too and sometimes they had me dress up as one of the boys featured in the stories, so I looked different from my normal jeans and hoodie. I was walking to the store to get a Mountain Dew, and all of a sudden boom. I'm on the ground, mostly blacked out, and apparently some dipshits pelted rocks at me, one of which hit me directly in the eye, and ran away,. I suffered a mild concussion in the process.
The moral is, one of them was described as wearing a hoodie that said "NIN" on the back, and at the time I was doing the gig so I'd have some extra money so I could buy "Downward Spiral." If Dr. Drew can sympathize with people who like to wear diapers while having sex or get pegged, then he should not turn a bronie into a laughing stock via his guests any more than Hitler should have blamed the Jews on his failed career as an artist.
|Centennial Ostrich - 2014-02-26 |
That about covers it, I suppose.
|TeenerTot - 2014-02-27 |
I'm not terribly interested in Bronies one way or the other. I will take this space to admit that I like Pocoyo and Peep and the Big Wide World. I find some good, gently funny kid's shows are a nice antacid to the world I live in.
|Rodents of Unusual Size - 2014-02-27 |
As soon as the blond bitch started speaking, I knew she was hated in high school. She was That Bitch Who Talks Shit.
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