What's wrong with them being lumped together with the rest of the books about religion? Everyone is happy. Apart from this annoying prick I guess.
Everything that is wrong with atheists in one smug, argyled package. "Let's see what happens if we intentionally antagonize some people who are trying to get through a workday for a joke that was labored before I got started on it!"
If you mean that he's like an avatar for douchebag atheists, then sure. If you mean that he's emblematic of atheists in general, then it's about as accurate as claiming Fred Phelps encapsulates what's wrong with Christians. Which would be something a douchebag atheist like this guy would say.
Has any decent person ever existed who wore a sweater vest?
Yeah, I guess I left out a qualifier. I guess I meant "professional atheists" as opposed to ordinary, disinterested atheists like myself.
Or you could just admit you're freaking agnostic.
So what part of the Bible is non-fiction? Even when they get the names of historical figures correct, the depiction if often way off base, in the wrong time period, etc.
For example, there's no archaeological evidence for even the mundane events of Exodus anywhere apart from the Bible/Torah/etc.
I'm just wondering how exactly it covers 2,500 years of Jewish history. I'd heard 1,000 years BC as a long range estimate, 500 as a more modest one. Unless SexyDuckCop thinks it describes all the stuff since Jesus too, like a constantly updating newsfeed.
Its Folklore, but folklore is a form of history telling. Its more of an emotional telling of history. There's thoughts and values that are recorded in more than just facts and figures. Also it can be read as history for its effect on history. We have people still using it to affect what our society does right now.
But that doesn't make it non-fiction. Fairy tales are folklore, and if one of them is based on an actual king, that's nice, but that doesn't mean that king slew a dragon or had a magical flying horse.
If I have a book of Native American folklore, and it's well-researched, then it's non-fiction insofar as it's an analysis and presentation of a belief system. A book of just the beliefs presented as fact, however, is not non-fiction.
I'm just questioning the poster's assertion that it's a mix containing non-fiction. It can go in the same section as Dianetics and the Book of Mormon, but neither of those are non-fiction, either.
It has Romans in it and they definitely existed.
It can also be argued to be a law book. It contains the laws and rules for how these folks were supposed to conduct themselves.
Mythology, which covers both the primary source material as well as all of the scholarly work done on those sources, is generally non-fiction. But the original stories themselves are technically fiction (unless, as always, any evidence can be provided).
The claim that the bible represents Jewish "history" is another matter altogether.
Myth and History, Merged into Mystery!
Sexy Duck Cop
SPK: Literally every piece of non-fiction carries flaws and limitations, but that doesn't suddenly make it fiction. If that was true, everything ever written would be fiction. It breaks down the definition of both words. If I write a book about the capture of Pablo Escobar and one of my interview subjects lies to protect his family, that doesn't make the entire work fiction. Besides, if I classify the works of Thucydides and Herodotus as fiction just because they contain inaccuracies, I risk misleading people into thinking they were INTENDED to be read as fiction, as opposed to an honest, if not flawed, attempt at writing a historical document.
Besides that, how could a poem or lamentation or book of laws qualify as fiction at all? How could you possibly disprove an anonymous person writing "I am very sad" 1000 years ago, or a rule book that says "Do not eat anything with cloven hooves"? Just because you don't agree with the rules doesn't suddenly mean they don't exist.
Sexy Duck Cop
IrishWhiskey, there's two kinds of men in the world: Those with an edit button, and those without.
Only 8 seconds in, and I'm already wondering if Sacha Baron Cohen has really improved his disguises. I couldn't parody this guy any harder.
This has got to be performance art.
It consists of fiction and nonfiction. Mostly fiction.
Sexy Duck Cop
Two of Gmork's stars are rooting for Sweatervest and his Poochie the Rockin' Dog atheism.
Yes they are, because those are two stars of evil.
Way to remember how the rating system here works, moron. I'm not siding with the atheist, I'm agnostic. Try harder to troll.
My friend and I used to slip Bibles into the 'Christian Fiction' section at Waldenbooks, only we were a lot subtler and didn't draw the entire place into a black hole of attention whoredom.
I imagine a lot of kids who went from a rebellious deprogamming in their teen years to misanthropy/douchebaggery in their college years probably did this. I also imagine they could do it without accosting and alerting everyone in a manner akin to loudly screaming "THERE IS A PRANK BEING PULLED IN THIS VICINITY!"
Way to taint a timeless ritual of dumbass youth, dickbag.
Guys like this are the reason I say I'm "not religious" instead of "an atheist."
As an atheist, I refuse to believe that this isn't an insidious Christian false flag. Guy looks like a youth pastor to me.
They just want to justify the government coming in and taking all our sweaters-over-collared-shirts and soul patches.
This sort of sanctimony is why I've never completely discounted the "atheism is a religion" argument. It's like the Dave Chappelle bit about wearing a whore's uniform.
The fact is, every single person I've met in real life who has self--identified as an atheist is like this, and I know plenty of people who absolutely don't believe in a deity but refuse to identify as atheists for all sorts of reasons.
Rather than call himself atheist, he should use the term ex-Christian. Like with ex-vegans, the title lets you know that the club takes up way too much of that person's time, it's just that every day is opposite day for them.
I used to squeeze open jam packets from KFC into Glenn Beck books at Borders.
If you're going down that douche road, you might as well go all the way and demand it be in the Fantasy or Children's Books sections.
Put it in with the Gor books
Some shithead I have yet to identify keeps doing this at my job. Someone keeps putting copies of the bible in Science Fiction (LOL LOL I'LL POST THIS ON REDDIT) and then taking political science books by people in the Bush administration and putting them in True Crime (YOU SURE SHOWED THEM)
I'm sorry. I'm trying to stop, but it's an uphill battle. I'm also the one who keeps putting Robert Crumb's Book of Genesis next to the Bibles and the Book of Mormon into New Age.
The Ann Coulter books in Men's Health...that wasn't me. That was a friend of mine. He isn't as clever.
That reminds me of when I worked at a nonprofit thrift shop that mostly raised money to help subsidize rent and medical costs for low-income AIDS patients. Someone donated half a dozen 100 year old fur coats and we put them out for about 0 each. Within a day, PETA type activists had slashed them all up with razors because they have absolutely no concept of hwo the real world actually works. So thanks, anti fur crusaders, for making sure the death of a couple dozen minks a century ago wasn't used to support a humanitarian cause.
The one time I did actually "catch" someone putting the Bible in sci-fi, I shit you not, it was a guy wearing a trilby and his friend had a fedora. I almost felt sorry for them.
I used to be roommates with a quaker who grew up in a Jesus hippie commune and had some pretty questionable beliefs about reality in general, despite being an awesome person. I actually ended up siding with her in a debate about the bible as an eyewitness document, simply because the literally fedora-and-vest-wearing Atheist who was arguing with her was such a dunce (despite being more or less factually correct).
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