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Simillion - 2014-03-25
TheOtherCapnS - 2014-03-25
They made the right call. This guy was a known hacker. He probably had something running to make the flashbang have no effect (that's why they were yelling commands at him right afterwards), and he could have turned on a speed hack and instantly knife spammed them to death at any moment.

EvilHomer - 2014-03-25

Spoonybard - 2014-03-26
these jokes aren't funny

oddeye - 2014-03-25
Why did I watch and then read comments defending human garbage with badges. Some cops are like samurai, they can't lower their gun until it's drawn blood.
EvilHomer - 2014-03-25
You can't really blame the cops. After Agent Shrader and that whole Heisenberg affair, the Albuquerque PD is naturally going to be a little trigger happy.

jangbones - 2014-03-25
don't forget Tortuga's head

James Woods - 2014-03-25
Man, that was a fucked up story. I read the lab they found him in was actually owned by a bunch of Nazis. There's no way to know for sure, but he had a brother in law in the DEA and rumour has it there's a confession tape stating that the guy they're calling Heisenberg was actually the fall guy for his brother in law. Police claimed they came up on the place and there had been a shootout, but I'm willing to bet the DEA gunned them all down for their buddy on the force who'd just been murdered a few months before. Nazi's must have taken the poor guy hostage after that cause the meth kept flowing even after his scummy brother in law got what was coming to him.

Spoonybard - 2014-03-26
these jokes aren't even jokes

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2014-03-25
Nice to know the police are so capable of using appropriate force. I mean, we all could've died if they hadn't murdered that vagrant. Shooting a guy with two pocketknives in his hands in the back was in no way inappropriate.

Thank goodness they didn't taser the guy, or they'd be accused of brutality (as they have before when they've used the things to pacify people who are already on the ground and restrained) and the homeless dude, who they KNEW was mentally ill, would still be alive and able to lay waste to the nation.
That guy - 2014-03-25
Don't forget the 10-20 yards of rocky terrain to go with those knives.

Officer [to corpse]: "Drop the knives!!"

13.5 - 2014-03-25
It might have been a soccatripe, used for gutting sheep . . . and other warm-blooded animals

oddeye - 2014-03-25
Baseball caps lined with razor blades are no joke.

TheOtherCapnS - 2014-03-25
That's some admirable restraint on their part. If it had been me, I would have gotten out of there and just nuked the entire site from orbit.

oddeye - 2014-03-26
Look, it's obvious they wanted to stop and go home, but look at how enthusiastic Officer Brownpaws is! His tail doesn't stop wagging once, you try saying no to that face.

TeenerTot - 2014-03-25
They cuff him and don't even check to see if he's hurt. They CUFF him and don't even check his pulse!!
The thrill of the "got im" far outweighs human life I guess.
TeenerTot - 2014-03-25
and sad stars

baleen - 2014-03-25
He was a paranoid schizophrenic with a long history of attacking people with knives and boxcutters. He had been arguing with the cops for 3 hours before this happened.

That guy - 2014-03-25
And he was taser-proof?

oddeye - 2014-03-25
They had beanbag rounds, tazers and pepper spray (I'm assuming). Hell, even setting a dog on him to take him down would have been more humane.

baleen - 2014-03-25
I'm not saying they did the right thing, but the guy was hardly Trayvon Martin. I don't understand why they didn't taze him. I also don't understand why they continued shooting him when he was clearly dead already.

Chocolate Jesus - 2014-03-25
Wait.. so the detestable lunatic in this video isn't the guy shooting a homeless man in the back with a machine gun, or the guy bean-bagging a corpse?

By saying he is 'hardly Trayvon', are you suggesting he actually constituted some kind of threat to the community or the squad of army guys surrounding him?

SolRo - 2014-03-25
from the sound of things, everyone in the video are detestable lunatics.

EvilHomer - 2014-03-25
Well, if you watch the video again, you can plainly see the homeless man raining MMA style blows down onto those poor cops.

simon666 - 2014-03-25
The guy is alive before they bean-bag him. You can see his foot move and hear him saying in a muffled voice, responding to the call to drop his knives, "I can't move" around 1:15. Then he says "Please don't hurt me anymore" at ~1:20 and "I can't move" at 1:27. Listen with headphones on.

I don't think the bean-bag shots to the ass would be fatal. Did he have a heart attack?

I'm not defending the cops, who apparently only carry hammers and see everything and everyone as a nail, but it doesn't seem clear this guy was killed by the cops, at least from the video.

Perhaps the guy hit his head after the initial bean-bag shots after the flash-bang?

simon666 - 2014-03-25
I didn't see StanlyPain's post down below.

So were the initial shots after the flash-bang real rounds and not bean-bags?

What the hell happened?

simon666 - 2014-03-25
Ahh. From HuffPost "Visibly disoriented, Boyd drops his bags and appears to take out a knife. That's when two officers, Dominque Perez and Keith Sandy, fire multiple rounds into the man."

Maru - 2014-03-25
baleen the cop sniffer. i can't believe it.

Maru - 2014-03-25
he was only gesturing with the knife to keep the vicious dog at bay. i don't know what else you would do other than consent to be mauled.

SolRo - 2014-03-25
that...that isn't something you should do Maru.

I mean, police homicide aside, don't take out deadly weapons to "protect yourself" from a trained, controlled police dog.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2014-03-25
Even if the dude had pulled a Crocodile Dundee knife and sprouted Wolverine claws with his free hand, these cops were wearing freakin' body armor and, I presume, are trained in taking down an armed opponent! Hell, just rushing him and gut-ramming him with a helmet would've ended the whole mess.

SolRo - 2014-03-26
"Hell, just rushing him and gut-ramming him with a helmet would've ended the whole mess."

Not everyone can be as badass a bouncer as you.

EvilHomer - 2014-03-26
They're *cops*, SolRo. They're supposed to be bouncers. It's part of their job description.

If you're a cop, and your gut reaction to facing a flashbanged homeless man with a tiny knife is: "Oh, disarming suspects is HAAARRRDDDD, I'd better just take the easy way and shoot him dead", then I think maybe you're in the wrong line of work.

oddeye - 2014-03-26
These cops failed to follow their training. When someone bumrushes you with a knife you're supposed to zoom off in your cruiser.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2014-03-26
Sol, I'm about as far from a bouncer as you can get. However, if one side is a fat homeless guy and the other is anyone who can run about twenty feet before getting winded in armor and a helmet, I don't think you'd have too much trouble saying who'd win in a physical confrontation.

Maru - 2014-03-26
Yes, it is "trained" to shred limbs with razor sharp jaws. And I suppose it is being "controlled" in the sense that the guy with the leash is directing it to shred the limbs of the person in front of it. So I take it your course of action is to offer up your limbs to be shredded. Is that the prescribed way of dealing with police dogs? I think you're right, it probably is, but on the other hand, it's probably also very convenient for cops who enjoy orchestrating impossible situations that force suspects to behave rashly, and unintentionally "legitimize" (in the purely bureaucratic sense) deadly force against themselves.

And what exactly is the issue with him waving the knife at the dog or its handler anyway? Isn't taking down fat homeless guys armed with pocket knives within the scope of police dog training? Isn't that exactly why the dog is there? Just release the dumb thing.

oddeye - 2014-03-26
Dude, that dog was one day away from retirement. Why take the risk?

Robin Kestrel - 2014-03-25
At least they got the WMD this time right?
exy - 2014-03-25
This seems like a really time-consuming way to deal with the issue of homelessness plaguing our society.
SteamPoweredKleenex - 2014-03-25
You know the douche in the office that carries papers around to look busy? That's what this is, except the douches are armed and don't want to bother with actual crime, since that's hard and dangerous.

BHWW - 2014-03-25
While not having a particularly bad-ass or seedy underground lifestyle I've dealt with police officers before and frankly a lot of the guys in uniform are borderline stupid, like they'll get huffy and defensive if you happen to have say, a grade 8 or higher vocabulary and they can only process sniveling, grovelling servility and Yes Sir and No Sir. Anything other than that makes them angry and confused.

For instance, years ago in my early 20s I and some other people witnessed a guy we knew get robbed by two punks outside the store where we worked. Two patrol cops came by to take his statement and because he was still a bit upset about being robbed and, it would seem, did not immediately get down on his knees and start licking their boots these two enforcers of the law (a team consisting of a white guy whose face seemed to be stuck on perpetual scowl and a Hispanic cop with a gut like a garbage bag full of Jell-o hidden under his shirt) started snapping at him and browbeating him and threatening him with a "visit down to the jail" if he didn't "watch himself" and then snapping at us witnesses, seeming to resent having to do their job at all and acting like all of us had conspired to inconvenience them.

SteamPoweredKleenex - 2014-03-25
From http://krqe.com/2014/03/21/apd-officer-involved-shooting-was-justi fied/

"In the department’s first news conference since the shooting took place, APD did something they normally don’t do, releasing the entire video of the incident."

It's got to be something about the desert Southwest. Where else but in the same region that spawned Sheriff Joe Arpaio would any sane person think releasing this video would convince ANYONE the shooting was justified?
StanleyPain - 2014-03-25
This happened less than a mile from my house and right in an area I frequently go hiking in (I am lucky enough to now live in a place where the Sandia foothills are virtually my backyard). Our local news initially didn't report any of the details, just said that some crazy guy who resisted arrest was shot up there, but now it's everywhere and all the details are coming to light. Our PD has, in recent years, taken to this new age of overly militarized nonsense pretty heavy and often reacts to situations with ludicrous amounts of personnel and hardware. (they pretty much use any excuse to trot out the SWAT and armored cars and shit) This isn't fucking Iraq, though, and it's getting really old.
I will concede that the foothills do have a pretty big problem with homeless people and other squatters making short camps up there in the mountains, but what the fuck.
StanleyPain - 2014-03-25
Oh, and by the way, this is actually went to our local FBI for investigation now. The declaration that it was "justified" is being rescinded.

infinite zest - 2014-03-26
From what I can gather, the argument is that he posed a threat to an unarmed dog and his unarmed trainer because of the pocket knives. That makes sense and a tazing or bean bag assault could be justified. But he turns his back before the shots go off, taking no action against the dog or the trainer. Also I apologize for posting a video containing death, which I know violates poetv's policy, but I thought this was important.

Pillager - 2014-03-25
"I felt threatened" a.k.a. Power Word: Absolve
takewithfood - 2014-03-25
Apparently bean bag rounds are for checking if someone is still alive enough to shoot some more.
oddeye - 2014-03-26
Maybe he thought they were tea-bag rounds and was just bagging the corpse.

BHWW - 2014-03-25
Seriously, what isn't justified by the police these days - and if any police officer happens to be taken to court as a defendant in a criminal trial there'll be a lot of crying about how he or she is a pillar of the community and a hero no matter what they've done, no matter the circumstances. Even if it's on video, they don't care, so sure the "blue wall" will protect them and boy howdy will it ever.
oddeye - 2014-03-26
It's total bullshit the kid gloves that cops get handled with. In many cases like this they basically pay a straight up murderer to take a couple of weeks vacation and then, if they are feeling cruel, make 'em move to a new town. How is that justice?!?

Gmork - 2014-03-25


John Holmes Motherfucker - 2014-03-26
Did not watch.
oddeye - 2014-03-26
Turning a blind eye to blue murder? You're just like the MAN!

oddeye - 2014-03-26
First time I actually watched it to the end *Spoilers* After the bean-bagging they set the dog on him for like 10 secs then cuff his corpse, what the ever living FUCK? They don't even check his vitals as far as I can see, unless standing on a dead guys wrist counts.

Also those two "knives" are more like two thumbtacks.
BorrowedSolution - 2014-09-13
Dredd didn't need four buttfuck accomplices and Officer Brownpaws to do his job for him.

oddeye - 2014-09-13
I appreciate your adoption of "Officer Brownpaws" into your post there. He really did come out the best in the situation and should win two dog bone shaped medals.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2014-03-26
We're already at Judge Dredd levels of awful totalitarianism. Great.
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