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Desc:Too 'Chad Kroeger's creepy fantasy' for 73q
Category:Arts, Accidents & Explosions
Tags:avril lavigne, hello kitty, weeaboo, closing the creepy gap with Japan, orientalism
Submitted:badideasinaction
Date:04/24/14
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Comment count is 39
Adham Nu'man
The dubstep sushi-making sequence is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
Oscar Wildcat
Apparently some entity called SME, presumably the owners of the rights to this music, are desperate to make sure that we don't actually see or hear it. That's understandable. Make a viral marketing video, then use the DCMA to take down any instances of it to prevent it from spreading.
Killer Joe
Its like those ads "BANNED FROM THE SUPERBOWL", made with the hope that people will see that and seek it out from the title, just done purely online.
Pretty clever, actually.

American Standard
She's turning 30 this year.
dairyqueenlatifah
Jesus, time flies. I had no idea she was older than me.

Scrotum H. Vainglorious
Far more devastating than the Genesis torpedo.
PegLegPete
The video is on her website too. It's horrible, even by pop music standards. The dancing is absolute trash as well.
Cena_mark
At least she's not trying to be punk anymore.

EvilHomer
Avril was just as punk as the Sex Pistols, perhaps more so, because not only was she more honest and authentic about her lack of interest in the music, she also successfully pissed off hundreds of thousands of aging music fans, people who, by that point, SHOULD have been above popping their monocles over rock music. Successful troll is successful punk.

But yeah, I'm glad that phase is over! She seems better suited to being a budget Gwen Stefani.

Riskbreaker
She has been a studio product since the beginning, why aging snobs couldn't see that is beyond me. Her songs are written by the same people that write for Beyonce and other pop acts.

EvilHomer
Which was different from the Sex Pistols how?

EvilHomer
Just to be clear, I am not saying you have to like Avril Lavigne. Personally, I don't. Her music was and, apparently, still is, rather terrible.

I am simply pointing out that the standard arguments which punk rock fans level against poor Miss Lavigne cannot be taken seriously when considered in the proper historical context!

Riskbreaker
Oh yeah, Sex Pistols was always a record company product, the few people i know who actually do know their punk rock would all agree with that. You can already tell how someone just either began getting into the genre when they mention the Sex Pistols as their first example of a "punk" band.

Cena_mark
That doesn't make their impact any less great. God Save The Queen still remains an awesome rebel anthem right up there with Public Enemy's Fight the Power.

EvilHomer
Perhaps not, Cena. But then, if being a company whore does not diminish one's art, then it shouldn't count against Avril, either. John Cena, the Sex Pistols, Avril Lavigne, all are artists whose work should be judged on it's own merits, regardless of their lack of authenticity.

Old_Zircon
"Authenticity" doesn't exist, is a marketing gimmick.

ashtar.
People can and do judge the Sex Pistols on their authenticity. Their manufactured status counts against them, but there are things in their favor–they were interesting in their music and performance, and they way they worked their dual nature as sell-out rebels indicates a certain irony about the co-option of dissent and the commodification of culture. Lavigne, on the other hand, is pretty uninteresting as a musician and performer, and so watered down and derivative as to be totally unremarkable in terms of showing something interesting about commodified media culture.

So, it's not hypocritical to both like the Sex Pistols and judge Avril Lavigne on the basis of her authenticity; they both have a similar flaw, but the Pistols have redeeming features that Lavigne lacks.

Cena_mark
Exactly. There may be controversy with the sex pistols, but God Save The Queen >>>>>>>> Sk8r Boi. Avril Lavigne is just some Canadian who wore tons of mascara and arm socks singing Britney Spears level songs with electric guitars instead of synths.

EvilHomer
"they both have a similar flaw, but the Pistols have redeeming features that Lavigne lacks."

Right, but it's the *lack* of this redeeming feature that makes Avril crap, not the lack of authenticity, which as OZ so aptly puts it, is just a marketing gimmick. Avril is just as "punk" as any punk band has ever needed to be; she merely happens to have had a rather bad punk band.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say her music was Britney level, though. In my opinion, she was more like the stuff Bif Naked left on the editing-room floor. Which is a shame, because she was a lot more honest about her act than most studio-backed musicians, pop or punk, and it would have been nice had her candor and courage translated into the music.

ashtar.
I don't think it would be productive to precisely define authenticity here. It probably gets pretty fuzzy if you're trying to draw fine lines.

However, we can think of some simple examples that illustrate that authenticity exists and that we tend to value it. For instance, lets say I notice that Bronyism is popular, so even though I don't have any strong feelings about ponies, I make a nerdcore rap album about ponies in an attempt to make some money. Or, maybe I'm a suburban American white kid with a liberal arts degree and I start dressing and acting like a Rastafari and put out a reggae album about my love of Jah.

Now, both of these albums might be good albums musically, and I'm not saying that authenticity is the sole or even most important determinant of value. However, it seems intuitive that one would feel a loss in value upon finding out that the album one thought was expressing genuine beliefs/feelings were really only expressing a desire to make money, or came from a different context that was expected.

Ultimately, I think this brings up questions of semantics, and the idea that the meaning of something is determined by more than just its narrow content. See http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/content-narrow/

Prickly Pete
Finally, a way to make yourself go deaf without the trouble of shoving forks in your ears.
takewithfood
(Warning: May cause you to shove forks in your eyes.)

ashtar.
ALWAYS SHOVE FORKS IN YOUR EARS

Scrimmjob
I hope her next video does with black culture, what she has done here with Japanese culture.
dairyqueenlatifah
She already did that seven years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesaDHXK83g

Jet Bin Fever
noo, why did I click on that.

xennui
This video smells like lonely.
Mother_Puncher
Who is the target audience for this? I'm guessing somewhere somebody is making the push for weeaboos to become accepted by mainstream culture in the same way "nerds" became socially accepted by people in thick rim glasses.
Riskbreaker
Did she rip off this song from someone else like she has been doing since day one?
Shanghai Tippytap
didnt gwen stefani already do the pointlessly-flanked-by-japanese-girls thing?

but yeah this is dog shit
dairyqueenlatifah
Yes. The difference being that Gwen Stefani did it while being a weeb was still hip.

Billy the Poet
Japanese people are not props!
Billy the Poet
They're sex toys.

Old_Zircon
Needs an "Orientalism" tag.

memedumpster
How is this not the most popular song on Earth?
Old_Zircon
She's really the spitting image of Tonya Harding, isn't she?
Adham Nu'man
I think she married the guy from Nickelback. If you're not embarrassed by that, nothing is embarrassing.
Jet Bin Fever
Impossibly terrible. I mean, this is a joke, right? They were going for that sweet sweet viral video dollar, not trying to make a hit, right?
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