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Desc:from Charles Walton, a prolific insane person
Category:News & Politics, Accidents & Explosions
Tags:conspiracy, Ukraine, charles walton, it was aliens, malaysia airlines
Submitted:jangbones
Date:07/18/14
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EvilHomer
Pfft. America was shooting down planes long before aliens were.
PegLegPete
Well, Roswell did occur on "American" soil. But I'm sure that's just my anti-americansim talking, "America" would never assert aliens are to blame for something they didn't do.

Void 71
I prefer this conspiracy theory to the one that's being put forth by extreme right-wing Ukrainian nationalists.
SteamPoweredKleenex
I'm not sure what that theory is, exactly. Putin gave weapons to a bunch of morons and the predictable happened.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-militants-mh17-transcri pt-2014-7

Sexy Duck Cop
Which crazy conspiracy are you referring to? The one where Vladimir Putin is a complete jackass that can't tie his shoes without clandestinely funding a Reebok Separtist Movement after hiring KGB spies posing as counter-insurgents (funded by an elaborate natural gas-based credit default swap) to destabilize his own plans just so the UN will impose sanctions on his sneakers, thereby creating a counter-counter insurgency that will rile up nationalist tensions in Lithuania and allow him to fill the power vacuum by imposing sanctions on himself, subsequently causing the counter-counter-counter Reebok insurgents to knot his laces for him?

.....okay, I know there were a lot of layers to that sarcasm, so let me just say Vladimir Putin is an asshole, his plans are impossibly convoluted and stupid, and the terrifying truth is the downing of this aircraft is most likely a product of incompetence rather than malice.

In other words, he is the Republican party.

SteamPoweredKleenex
Which explains the GOP's admiration for him.

Though I think even those thicker than Palin might back off their Putin-praising since there's now a civilian body count they can't dismiss as "oh, they were probably rioting" or something.

SolRo
wow. you two aren't even connected to reality.

SteamPoweredKleenex
You mean the reality the rebels (in this case, led by an alleged ex-Soviet intelligence officer) are trying to pass off, that the airliner was full of people who were already dead?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/rebel-leader-malaysia-plane- filled-with-already-dead-bodies

Are you pals with Baghdad Bob or something?

SolRo
That has nothing to do with your claims that this is Russia's fault, it was deliberate, etc.

This is just some coward trying to cover his own ass.

SolRo
And if he wants to get away with it, he should be claiming it was an Iranian f-14.

SteamPoweredKleenex
Where else would they have gotten their weaponry? The local pawn shop? Kalashnikov-Mart?

Putin armed these idiots. At best case, they didn't realize the plane they were targeting was a civilian aircraft, but that really doesn't matter now since they're doing all they can to cover up their role in killing every passenger on board.

baleen
Scary shit.
Cena_mark
Conspiracy theories seem to sprout from a lack of facts. Authorities aren't quite sure who dunnit, so people wildly fill in the gaps with whatever best suits their beliefs. Can we at least allow the bodies to get cold before we start making shit up?
SteamPoweredKleenex
This is tame. Doing the usual "false flag" search on this stuff brings up things like "the plane never even took off" or how its flight number, the date, and a bunch of other hooey = Illuminati plot.

EvilHomer
I followed SPK's lead, and learned a number of interesting things, like the Israelis have an exact copy of the plane which will probably be used for their next terrorist attack, Germany is about to ditch the EU to join BRICS (basically the EU for Eurasia/Eastasia), and of course some of the hilarious comments by the online community. My favorite so far:


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If Americans allow their fed gov (which seems like another entity that's anti American in America) to go to war with Russia...say goodbye to your dollar. It will be worthless. The dollar is going to collapse anytime soon with illegal invaders and wars.

Meet the Russian military - a mostly Christian army of White MEN http://youtu.be/D4x_OmqGs40

American military - Full of women, gays, multi-ethnic mess
http://www.dailystormer.com/th...
http://www.dailystormer.com/ch...
http://www.dailystormer.com/bl...

I dont know...if Americans win anything its only because of American White MEN's ingenuity and intelligence which gives the horde better weapons.

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More comments like that here:

http://topconservativenews.com/2014/07/malaysian-plane-goes-do wn-in-the-ukraine-false-flag-feared/

SolRo
honestly looks only a couple degrees more crazy than the comments of regular idiots on news articles about all kinds of theories of how putin is trying to take over the world and all kinds of crazy bigoted shit about the situation on the ground.

Sexy Duck Cop
Vladimir Putin is the saddest tyrant in human history. His ultimate goal is to collect all the land on earth that absolutely no one wants. Do you know what you call a natural gas oligarch in Uzbekistan? Clinically depressed. It's like being mayor of Pyongyang.

If Putin played Monopoly, he'd be the guy cackling maniacally at how he's built all these houses on Mediterranean Avenue. The dude hatches all these elaborate Game of Thrones plots, and best-case scenario he sort-of controls Kazakhstan but not really. This is a guy whose goal was to reassemble the Soviet Union through a handful of vassal states in depopulated wastelands, and he achieved this goal by destroying all his political and economic capital invading Crimea.

CRIMEA.

SolRo
Exactly like that

EvilHomer
Hey SolRo, why do you find it so hard to accept that Putin bears at least as much responsibility for all this as Obama or the Europeans do? Is it because he's white? Because he's an MRA? I'm not judging you, I'm just curious, and I'd like to hear more of your thoughts.

Like, do you think Putin *hasn't* armed rebels and sought to destabilize the Ukraine for his own benefit? That he *wasn't* ever in the KGB, or *doesn't* support some of the most barbaric anti-LGBT laws this side of Iran? If not, are all these things just lies spread by... Them?

In other words, do you dispute the common picture of Putin being a villain as being factually incorrect? Or do you simply think that Putin's villainy is of no consequence when compared to the evils of the West?

EvilHomer
And if his villainy is factually incorrect, can you provide some sources to support this position?

SolRo
I think more than half of what you said is incorrect. Such as Putin being the one that destabilized Ukraine, which is laughable.

In my opinion, if the west had kept their idiotic noses out of this, then the threat of Russian intervention, without NATO to rescue them, would have forced the new ukranian government to seek compromises and peaceful solutions instead of the purge it's attempting now. In fact it probably made it worse, since the facists want the west to intervene, and they know it will only happen if the situation keeps getting worse.

And his being in the KGB automatically making him a Villian is just a few too many bond movies rotting your fragile brain

EvilHomer
So was he or wasn't he the one who armed the Russian separatists? Is he or isn't he a despot? And does or doesn't he have a vested, unambiguous interest in recolonizing the Ukraine (as well as all the other foreign territory Russia lost after the fall of the USSR)? Again, if you've got any specific, verifiable information that discredits the narrative being told by, well, pretty much everyone, then I'd love to hear it!

I'd also like to hear more about how the KGB is totally misunderstood and the victim of a Hollywood smear campaign, because that sounds like it could interesting.

SteamPoweredKleenex
SolRo, why don't you go ask former Ukrainian presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko what he thinks, and get back to us?

SteamPoweredKleenex
And what's with all this talk about us thinking Putin wants to take over the world? He's a thug, he wants his Soviet empire back, but worst of all, he's a fuck-up who made a colossal tactical error in giving a bunch of idiots modern military heavy weaponry. This puts it much more eloquently:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/game-changer--5

SolRo
EvilH: the bruden of proof with all those conspiracy claims is on you, not on me to disprove whatever you pull outta your ass.

SPK: if you followed this story any closer than reading a couple stupid sensationalist headlines, you'd know the separatists had captured a ukranian missile unit 3 weeks ago, so Putin had jack all to do with this, unlike you fantasize. But keep spouting off like the idiots in comment sections that we usually make fun of around here.

EvilHomer
So... no, in other words, you don't have any evidence with which to dispute the narratives accepted by everyone else.

Next question: are you Gabrielle Chana?

SolRo
EvilHomer, are you getting fucked by a rabid dog on a regular basis? This is the narrative accepted by everyone else, and unless you have concreted evidence to show otherwise...

SolRo
Follow-up question: are you a creationist? because your arguments are just as stupid.

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