|infinite zest |
I was 17 when Phantom Menace came out, and in a way, I think I forced myself to like it, even though everyone was calling it garbage. Besides the special editions shown in theatres, it was the first time I really caught the Star Wars fever that my older brother's friends had. I waited in line opening day, and of course didn't get advance tickets, so I left feeling pretty bummed out. So I went back and saw it at least 10 more times. Jar Jar was annoying, so I'd just go to the bathroom then. For me, it's less of a shitty movie (it is pretty shitty compared to the original trilogy and episode 3) and more of a fond memory.
I remember people buying movie tickets for shitty movies just to see TPM trailer. On reflection, the trailer was much better than the movie - so I guess it's fair now.
I also remember TPM being the reason pre-ordering movie tickets became a thing.
Yeah, my friend was working at this theatre that had whatever movie it was, and it sold out, and almost everybody walked out after the trailer. I guess good for whatever movie it was. Same thing happened with the LotRs too if I'm not mistaken. Oh, the days before HD OFFICIAL trailers and such.
I'm surprised industries have given up on the "Toy inside" mentality, I guess one where you throw away the cracker jacks just to see what you got, or buying Tobal 2 because it came with the FF7 demo. I had to look it up and the movie was Meet Joe Black, a Brad Pitt movie that actually looks good, and probably did better domestically because of the trailer.
"What was your reaction to seeing Phantom Menace for the fist time" is up there with "where were you when you first heard about 9/11" for that time. IT WAS THAT BAD.
I remember thinking, "this is a dream, right?" during the whole thing. Then the credits rolled, the lights turned on, and there was the awkward silence as people weren't sure what just happened. Awkwardness on the level of walking in on a relative masturbating; everyone just wanting to walk out the door and never speak of it.
Star Wars Holiday Special.
Need I say more?
Are you imagining Bea Arthur naked?
It's interesting that you have that reaction to it because I have the opposite reaction - one additional reason I enjoy watching the movie is my memory of going into the theatre to see it - the economy was still strong, we weren't stuck in foreverwar with Iraq, I could go through the airport without wasting my time being harrassed by TSA, and I still had most of my hair.
As far as my yearly rewatching of the Holiday Special, I'm going to wait until it's closer to Dec. 25 and enjoy the Special with some home-baked Wookie Oookies.
I mentioned it above, but I didn't see it opening night. So when I first saw it, I think 3 days later, people were booing it from the start. Yeah, they paid another 4 dollars to see it just to boo it. And this was before Jar Jar showed up. In a way, I liked it: people throwing popcorn, getting shushed by the ushers, etc. I had no idea why they hated it and just tried to enjoy it, but it felt like a Rocky Horror Picture Show midnight showing in the middle of the day: day-drunk star wars freaks who were "betrayed." It was just fun.
Once the crowds died down I was able to get a more objective opinion: Jar Jar, to me, was no more "offensive" than the Ewoks. He just wasn't cute. The first version of RotJ I saw was the one that cut out the Ewok song at the end, which seemed to create a rift: "We want the Ewok song ba.. oh wait didn't we used to hate this?" Overall the movie did suck, but it was in a way my introduction to Star Wars. For the most part I didn't care after a while and went back to the things I normally watched, like Ghost Dog and Princess Mononoke, at the time.
|That guy |
star wars = auto-one
cunty = you don't like it
star wars is fucking boring and stupid, and getting worse with every xbox kinect game
star wars needs more cunt
Waa waa raping my childhood boo hoo destroying the series.
|John Holmes Motherfucker |
A word about the effects. Some of the CGI in 1-3 went beyond technical achievement, and evokes some of the great Sci-Fi magazine covers of the 50s. Okay, now that's out the way.
This was NOT just a case of not living up to the hype. In superhero movies, origin stories tend to be slow and stilted, and this was a three-movie origin story. The whole thing might have been made into one good movie. Of course, the whole trilogy was set in stone from the time that The Empire Strikes Back titles said "Episode V", 20 years earlier. That was where Lucas fucked himself. Making a prequel trilogy that sets up another trilogy and doesn't drag has got to be close to impossible. So we get a lot of pointless shit with 8 year old Annikan.
It wasn't that bad, but for the hardcore fans, it must have been devastating.
I have to agree with you - it's really not that bad, and taken as a whole, I feel that ep2 is the worst of all of them.
i disagree, it really IS that bad. taken as a whole, the three prequels absolutely suck and are best forgotten about. rick mccallum and george lucas shit the bed with these installments.
and i'm not even a hardcore fan... i just agree with every point that Stroke Guy makes
Yeah. I remember when Ep 2 came out, and everyone was willing to give it a second chance. After all, V was arguably the best in the original trilogy. Annoying kid is gone (seriously, most of my friends' kids could do a better job, and they don't even act) and it was pretty much promised that Jar Jar would keep him mouth shut. "There. This should satisfy the haters.." and SOMEHOW it was worse! So I didn't even see the third one for years, even though my friends who hated the second one were like "you know, I hated the first two but this one wasn't that bad."
And yeah. I finally saw the third one and it wasn't that bad. But it's also kind of a "fuck you" to fans. We can all agree that SMB 1 2 and 3 were all awesome games, but if Super Mario World and Yoshi's Island were horrible, I wouldn't have been interested in Mario 64. Not the best analogy, but you know what I'm saying.
John Holmes Motherfucker
I think the effects made it worth watching if you forget that it's the long awaited return of the most beloved franchise ever. I've never seen anything that reminded me so much of classic sci-fi art. Maybe instead iof "effects", I should praise the art direction.
I picture Lucas impulsively tacking "Episode 5" onto "Empire", at the last minute, before he had much of a script fleshed out for part 1.
I thought that 3 was okay, but none of it was necessary. Seeing the relationships and origin stories that have been evoked by 4-6, acted out illuminated nothing.
It might have been halfway decent if they hadn't spent so much time on the clone wars garbage. The audience knows from the start that it's all a sham with both sides being controlled by the same villain so the battles are all pointless. There's not even a human element of soldiers caught in the middle because it's fucking disposable clones vs disposable robots who slip on oil and say roger roger.
If they had kept the war as a background thing and just concentrated on night of the long knives shit at the capital city it would have been a lot better.
I disagree. I think the Clone Wars was quite good, FAR better than the New Trilogy, and the Clone troopers themselves were probably the best part! While it's true that their cloneiness made it theoretically difficult to empathize with the human dramas they faced, the writers actually did a damn good job meeting the challenge. The decision to give each clone trooper his own hairstyle and tattoos helped, but mostly it was just how interesting the clone trooper plots were, and how well the characters were developed, making us care for them - sometimes more than the core Jedi themselves.
"Rookies" and the whole "Umbara" arc were probably my favorite episodes.
Oh, wait, do you mean the Clone Wars *film*? Cuz that one sucked.
I never bothered with the movie. The reviews actually made the trilogy sound good in comparison. But what I heard about the show sounds interesting.
The show was really good; far better writing and acting than the movies. I'd even go so far as to say I liked TCW better than the original Trilogy!
I was also 17 when The Phantom Menace came out. I think it would be a pretty big stretch to say that the movie was an influence on my cynical personality, but it certainly didn't help. In a way, though, it was the perfect growing-up movie. I watched the first movies when I was very young and was enchanted with them, and the trail of LucasArts games like Super Star Wars and X-Wing carried my love along through my adolescence and teen years. So, naturally, I was excited that brand-new George Lucas Star Wars was coming out. I didn't even viscerally hate it when I saw it - I wasn't mature enough then (if I even am now) to accurately judge my feelings on something while it's happening. I just sat there and watched it and then left and felt a feeling that maybe I won't ever have a feeling of unassuming childhood enjoyment of things any more. It's a testament to how good the original trilogy is that I still rushed to see Attack of the Clones a full three years later. Revenge of the Sith I waited until it was almost out of theatres. Today, now that movies are blurrier than my own TV, seem to always be in stereo sound, force me to sit in chairs profoundly less comfortable than the ones I own, and have a good chance of pairing me up with obnoxious strangers, there's a good chance I won't even bother seeing any more Star Wars in theatres.
Long story short: fuck Star Wars.
Oh, since we're sharing stories about all three, I guess I'll break down the things that the prequel trilogy taught me:
The Phantom Menace: You're no longer a kid and you never will be again.
The Clone Wars: Confirmation that none of the things you liked as a child will ever provide you with enjoyment ever again.
Revenge of the Sith: Other people are arguably stupider than you are and you shouldn't listen to them when they tell you something is good when your instinct tells you it won't be.
Yeah. W/r/t my above comment, I played TIE Fighter and Rebel Assault was sort of the game to judge what kind of CD-Rom I should get, stuff like that. But I never bothered to see the actual movies until they were re-released. The hype surrounding the new ones, with the CGI Jabba, new songs, etc. sounded really cool to a 14 (I think) year-old me: "This ain't your daddy's Star Wars!" Also they were released like a month apart. I'd say my generation had the LotR trilogy, but I'd already read the books so it wasn't the same sort of cliffhanger mentality that must've driven kids insane in the early 80s. "Too antsy about what happens to Frodo and the gang? Well visit your local library!"
When I was in college I decided to buy this guy's DVD collection of the Laserdisc versions. Overall it was an amazing deal: 20 bucks for a whole bunch of DVDRs but tons of extras, like the Life Day special, appearances on Sesame Street, audition tapes, things that in 2003 would've been really hard to find unless I sought them out. But by that point I'd kind of grown out of it. "I get it, Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress is a huge influence on Episode 4's plot." We don't need to be talking about this in an advanced film studies class. The franchise will always have a place in my heart, and I probably will see 7, mostly out of curiosity (I for one didn't like the vibe in Abraham's Star Treks.. they just didn't feel like Star Trek, more like (wait for it) Star Wars.
@zest we are on the same page when it comes to the rebootarded Star Treks. I want to see an interesting cast of characters doing deep space exploration or manning an outpost in the middle of nowhere instead of huge ship battles.
I saw it opening day, with college friends and my recent long-term-girlfriend-turned-ex. The movie was so bad that she and I decided to peel away from the rest of the group to "actually see a movie." We chose ELECTION, and then fell back into the same shitty codependent relationship for about another year. I blame Lucas for fucking not only with my childhood with PHANTOM MENACE, but with my young-adulthood as well.
This was the one with JarJar Binks in it, right? I liked him! He was funny!
I was 19 and went to see it with a friend who was 23 and a Star Wars fanatic. Upon leaving, I couldn't hold it in and had to say it sucked. I was never a big fan of Star Wars. Never had the toys. Born too late I guess.
The next one will be terrible too, but in a completely different way.
Maybe those Auralnauts can do something with it.
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