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Desc:Reality TV Star says 'I've read too many books to vaccinate my child.'
Category:Accidents & Explosions
Tags:idiots, Kristin Cavallari, Fabulist, anti- vaccine
Submitted:John Holmes Motherfucker
Date:11/15/14
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Comment count is 52
Hailey2006
Enjoy whooping cough, measles, mumps, polio, and (possibly) a dead child, Kristen.
The Great Hippo
I turned off the video once she said 'to each their own'.

No, fuck you. 'To each their own' is not the sort of shit you say when your decision directly impacts the health and welfare of not only your own child, but all the children your child will ever interact with. If I can't get my child vaccinated because they have a compromised immune system -- and you decide not to get your child vaccinated because you're a fucking moron -- you have now put my child in jeopardy.

If my child dies because you're too much of an idiot to understand how science works, you responding with a shrug and 'Well, to each their own' will end with your teeth jammed so far down your throat that they'll have to bring in a proctologist to retrieve your dental records.

The Great Hippo
To clarify, I'm not trying to be threatening and maybe I should apologize for that, because that is really violent imagery. Just, this issue gets me really angry, particularly the flippancy with which anti-vaccination proponents treat the indisputable fact that their decisions *put people's lives at risk*.

Bort
No need to apologize -- people like this are fair game to vent about.

I'm not even convinced they can grasp a world where children die from infectious diseases or suffer permanent disability. To them (I imagine) it's about standing out from the crowd, and being better moms than the rest.

Sure, there's some appeal to taking the Road Less Traveled, because it may make you smarter than the crowd. Then again, sometimes that road is less traveled because it's the stupid road. Sometimes the crowd knows best, for example an America in which childhood diseases have been tamed.

Gallez
> To them (I imagine) it's about standing out from the crowd, and being better moms than the rest.

I dread parenthood because of this. Loud mouthed people caring more about being self-righteous about parenting than being good parents, people who call the cops when they see a child playing in the park alone, and people looking down on others without all organic everything can all eat a dick, but anti-vaxers are the worst of the lot.

Dinkin Flicka
What the hell are you talking about? Say what you want about what she does professionally, she clearly says over and over she didn't want to talk about vaccination or her family. It's the Huff Post harpy that keeps asking about it. There's no 'standing out from the crowd & being a better mom than the rest", you fucking idiot.

But it's the interviewer that made all of you angry, but since you're angry *at* this woman, you see nothing. I'm sure you think that since I'm not mocking the woman's soon-to-be dead child that I agree that vaccinations cause autism.

Bort
No, I think you're a fucking idiot for concluding that, just because she doesn't want to be known far and wide as an anti-vaxxer, she isn't trying to stand out and be smarter than everyone else. Even if it's only she and her private circle of friends know that she's so much better than the mere "normals" out there, that still provides the emotional satisfaction she's looking for.

Rodents of Unusual Size
...and the great thing is, you can color in all of them!
Rodents of Unusual Size
I love it when soccer moms think they are doctors and worse, that they know better than doctors.

These dumb cunts need to meet this couple:

http://youtu.be/AcPyI5RDIac
Meerkat
What they need is to be thrown in jail for child endangerment.

John Holmes Motherfucker
Jenny McCarthy calls it "the University of Google". Apparently without irony.

magnesium
The fact that more kids today are diagnosed with autism couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that we've gotten exponentially better at diagnosing autism properly, rather than just writing off kids as "retarded" and tossing them into homes where we won't have to deal with them.

God, no, you are not entitled to your own facts, you moron.
Rodents of Unusual Size
I think autism has increased quite a bit, and they have proved this, so it is more than just being able to diagnose it. I know breast cancer rates have gone up by nine times, too. I think these diseases are the result of environmental pollution and most doctors that study this for a living are concentrating on that and trying to isolate what is doing it.

I think it's a far more likely answer.

aikimoe
"Since 2004, the incidence of breast cancer has remained stable"

http://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/Statistics.html#sthash.7stGZ usj.dpuf

Bobonne
Plus, you know, the unspoken message is 'I'd rather my child died than became autistic'.

Now, I'm not some 'PRO AUTISM NEURODIVERSITY BLARGH' sort, but...that's pretty damn fucked up, you know?

Rodents of Unusual Size
I actually meant since a hundred years ago.

EvilHomer
Bobonne - I don't think that's entirely fair. One can be skeptical of the necessity, or even safety, of certain courses of action without actively preferring a worst-case scenario, particularly if you're convinced that the alternative will almost certainly lead to harm.

Anyway, I'm with magnesium on this one. I've always been under the impression that the apparent prevalence of autism was a simply an illusion produced the shifting focus of diagnoses, with perhaps a healthy dose of under-qualified medical professionals over-diagnosing a trendy new ailment thrown into the mix (I myself was "diagnosed" as autistic at one point, but the doctor in question was clearly wrong). HOWEVER! I am not a qualified expert, either, and I do not personally know of any solid clinical data that supports this position. If you can provide sources that support your hypothesis, RoUS, I would love to see them.

aikimoe
Rodents, even 100 years ago, cancer rates weren't significantly higher than they are today.

http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/cancer- prevalent-usa-another-myth-debunked/

I also think you're mistaken that it's been "proved" that autism has "increased quite a bit." Autism isn't like cancer, in that its identification is frequently subjective. "Autism" is a diagnosis being given to people who would have received a different diagnosis for the same condition 20-30 years ago.

aikimoe
Sorry, meant to write that cancer rates weren't significantly LOWER than they are today.

Rodents of Unusual Size
well there's this

http://blog.autismspeaks.org/2010/10/22/got-questions-answers- to-your-questions-from-the-autism-speaks%E2%80%99-science-staff-2/

which has some citations

and

http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/April-2013/CDC-Reports-1 -in-50-American-Children-Diagnosed-wi.aspx

Rodents of Unusual Size
goddamit the last link was to a shitty anti vacc site and I thought it was pro vaccine. I'm tired and the Internet is shitty.

Rodents of Unusual Size
You know what, I might have been wrong.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/07/11/is-autism-an -epidemic-or-are-we-just-noticing-more-people-who-have-it/#.VGhEcs k46vQ

cognitivedissonance
Surely, the fact that so many kids today are diagnosed with autism has nothing to do with the fact that children diagnosed with autism get more attention in the public schools than the kids not diagnosed with autism, and the vast majority of children diagnosed with autism are caucasian. Autism is a wildly overdiagnosed syndrome that is frequently used as a mental workaround to avoid considering one's self racist while also coming up with many diverse reasons why your little Aryan needs special attention.

I suggest, personally, that the number of diagnosed cases of autism will, in fact, drop with more access to healthcare. More children will not be diagnosed, and thus it will normalize the study pool.

The Great Hippo
Also, just as a warning, be very skeptical of anything 'Autism Speaks' throws out there as 'fact'. They're a bunch of paternalistic loons.

spikestoyiu
This is the worst take on "Too Many Cooks" yet.
That guy
Too-OOO ma-a-ny boo-ooks!

Bort
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCItH8faMZw

John Holmes Motherfucker
Thanks, Bort! Excellent documentary about Ethics in gaming journalism!

John Holmes Motherfucker
I just got the subtle and insightful double meaning of spikestoyiu's comment. Neatly spiked, spike!

WTF, That guy?

Bort
Nope, try again. Too many ______

John Holmes Motherfucker
Don't mind if I don't.

Bort
Aw c'mon, here's a hint: it's a filthy slur for Koreans.

spikestoyiu
U GOT SPIKED

Bort
Okay, fine, the answer is: Too Many Kim Jong-un Fanatuks.

That guy
WTF are you WTFing about?

John Holmes Motherfucker
She believes that everyone should be free to choose for themselves, and her choice for herself is to expose her children to disease.

Apparently, success in "reality TV" does not indicate success with "reality".
pyslexic dharmacist
-1 for not being the "Too Many Cooks" spoof I was hoping for, but +1 because I feel a rant coming on. I don't know where this idea came from, that parents have a right to do whatever the fuck they want with their children short of starving or screwing them, but it has to go before those become acceptable too. Why are people okay with this, people who would otherwise be all like "won't somebody think of the children!?!?!?" Parents get all high and mighty about using the right kind of car seat but leaving a child vulnerable to pertussis is okay? It's illegal to let your kids ride in the back of a pickup truck, but skipping vaccines, well, that's just what the parents believe? Enough with respecting parents' fucking stupid beliefs, remember the saying "it takes a village?" That's an excellent backup plan just in case somebody breeds without knowing wtf to do with a kid. Maybe it's partially the pro-choice movement's fault, starting the idea that if something's growing in a woman's body she can do whatever she wants with it. Well, killing a fetus is one thing; when prisoners aren't given adequate medical care, we call that torture. And adequate medical care means preventing as much disease as possible. If parents could just do whatever the fuck they wanted with their children with no legal or social repercussions, we'd be back in the dark ages within a few generations. So no, enough with the religious exemptions and enough with the "beliefs" that fly in the face of science. You're against vaccines? Well, you're wrong. There's a right and a wrong way to raise kids, and you're fucking doing it wrong.
John Holmes Motherfucker
I want to say that the prejudice against government getting between parents and kids is a good thing more often than it's a bad thing, I believe it is, but I don't know if I have any data that can prove it. What's weird about the anti-vax thing is that it runs counter to the usual expectations. Educated liberal parents against, proving that noone has a monopoly on being a dipshit.

John Holmes Motherfucker
Wanted to say "Educated Liberal Parents Against Science"

John Holmes Motherfucker
A SPOOF of TOO MANY COOKS? Are you fucking kidding me?

Oh wait. I just realized, you probably are

Jet Bin Fever
I fucking hate these people with a passion. Willfully ignorant self-righteous fucktards.
John Holmes Motherfucker
Let's be fair. As I believe I've said before, my first girlfriend believed the FBI had framed Sid Vicious. I myself was past forty when I finally decided the believe the overwhelming evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald WAS the lone gunman. Part of the problem is that we all know we're being lied to, and we all know that you can't believe everything you're told, and a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
EvilHomer
But which side is lying to us?!

Monkey Napoleon
I typed out a wall of text rant, but decided I was meandering and deleted it.

You have to start with some level of trust in the scientific community, and you have to be able to have the reading comprehension / scientific literacy to be able to get the gist of a scientific paper. Otherwise, how can you claim to be able to differentiate between this source and that source based on anything other than whim or which idea conforms more closely to your specific prejudices and paranoias?

Anyone who rejects this premise (ie someone who shrugs and says "what the hell, we are lied to a lot) is an enemy of knowledge and progress by definition.

Fair nothing. Fair would be for media personalities to pointedly ask these people to provide sources for their claims, and then ridicule them into silence when they provide none.

Bort
Science gets shit done. We have faith in science because of its track record.

The Great Hippo
Yeah, in general, I'm going to trust doctors -- particularly doctors who have spent their lives studying immunology and vaccines.

A lot of these problems are solved once you build a suite of good tools to identify who the experts are (and what their agenda is), then go about listening to what they have to say.

The Mothership
Who is this ignorant twit and where did she come from?
BiggerJ
Please tell me you searched for 'Too Many Books' and stumbled upon this anti-vaxxer.
John Holmes Motherfucker
That's exactly what I did.

Quad9Damage
Jumps from "I choose to let diseases run rampant through my children" to "my favorite celebrity fashion model is Kate Moss." Five very evil, very stupid stars.
John Holmes Motherfucker
It's not really about distrusting science, it's about distrusting corporate science. We all know what industry scientists are known for. Who saw the John Oliver segemnt on the sugar industry.

http://youtu.be/MepXBJjsNxs

I don't want to hate on anyone, but I don't want to defend this serious error. The problem here is smug liberals with BAs (people like me) thinking they're smarter than their doctors. If you think you know more about child vaccines than your pediatrician, get another pediatrician, or stop being a jackass.

When my doctor asked me if I wanted a flu shot, I made her tell me what she thought I should do. And then I got the shot.
Rodents of Unusual Size
The other night I went to my friend's birthday dinner. It was me, her and two other friend of hers, one of whom was an older conservative who worked with her. Picture an old bat with fake red curly hair. She got angry with us for talking about global warming, because it doesn't exist and then told us Glenn Beck was the only one that we could possibly trust. FOX News was the only one trying to tell us the truth. She was also dismissing us because vaccines were evil. I kept exchanging looks with the other friend was my age and sane.

For my part I didn't scream at the top of my lungs or gag when she talked. Nor did I mention the fact I want to shove Glenn Beck inside a rotting whale carcass. For this I deserve some kind of Peace prize. Have the Nobel people call my people.
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