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Category:Crime, News & Politics
Tags:execution, Ferguson, Michael Brown, Darren Wilson, hands up
Submitted:kingarthur
Date:11/27/14
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Bobonne
Oh snap.
EvilHomer
Yes yes yes, but for all Officer Wilson knew, Mr Brown *could* have been an unarmed twelve year-old.
takewithfood
Or he could have had been hiding a blunt cosplay sword.

EvilHomer
Bag of skittles that he could throw at Officer Wilson while shouting "Lightning Bolt!"

ez
Or he could have still been coming at the officer, like actual witnesses stated....

Nah; it's better to with a hypothetical explanation from another pathoogist who says he's the one who absolutely KNOWS what happened, including his assumptions as to the frame of mind of the murdering policeman who killed the gentle giant because it was a slow afternoon.

EvilHomer
Innocent Murdering Policeman of Peace.

SolRo
nightsticks, tazers, pepper spray, two cops just punching and kicking...only effective against white people.

a charging negroid has to be put down with bullets.

EvilHomer
In the cops defense, they have tried nightsticks, pepper spray, and beatings for years, yet still black people obstinately refuse to stop existing. Really, you can't blame the cops for stepping up their game with this one.

tesla_weapon
Clearly his 'demonic face' assured the police officer that he was getting 30 feet away to summon a foul creature from the depths of hell. He was muttering ancient rituals, which is why his hands were up, they were somatic gestures. Case done, fact and finished.

joelkazoo
That look from the anchor at the end seems to say "Goddammit, this segment was supposed to go at least 5 minutes! How the fuck are we gonna fill the next 3? Thanks a lot, asshole!"
Binro the Heretic
CNN has become worse than FOX. They were licking their chops weeks before the grand jury's decision just hoping for carnage and destruction and now they just want to keep it going.
dairyqueenlatifah
FOX, CNN and MSNBC all love a good tragedy.

Old_Zircon
C.f. 99.9% of news ever.

Maru
I fucking despise CNN and their hype building before the verdict, but is your position that all news coverage should cease instantaneously after the grand jury decision?

urbanelf
How is this a shutdown? Darren Wilson was 6'4" the SAME HEIGHT as Michael Brown. And when running - and I realize this is going to sound strange to you - I generally lean forward and catch myself repeatedly with my feet as I'm falling until I'm ready to stop running. The senile man describes physical evidence that is consistent with Wilson's account.

Everyone has lost their fucking minds.
Bort
Wilson's story is that there was a scuffle in the car, he shot Brown once in the arm, Brown ran from the car and then turned around and charged at Wilson.

That story makes sense if you replace "Brown" with "rabid dog" or "honey badger", but not if you assume that Michael Brown was a human being rather than some sort of savage proto-sapien monster.

Brown also fell nearly 150 feet away from the police car, which makes it real damn difficult to believe that Wilson was in the sort of imminent danger that justifies bullet after bullet after bullet.

Bort
Here's an interesting thing:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-tes timony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/

urbanelf
(1) Brown's blood was in the car, (2) the timing of shots is consistent with Wilson's story, (3) an average human can casually jog 150 ft. in 12.5 seconds and below 10 seconds if running(yeah, every liberal thinks this is a quantitative issue, but then DOESNT BOTHER TO DO ANY MATH), (4) and as to Brown's character, there is video of him earlier in the day representing him as a violent criminal.

Again, all of the physical evidence supports Wilson's story.

urbanelf
But good job subtly calling me a racist, you smug asshole.

Crackersmack
Actually, if you are an adult of average intelligence and you believe Wilson's ridiculous testimony you pretty much have to be a racist. I don't know any other way to describe it.

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-sid e

urbanelf
Well, three problems with your post. (1) I am of above average intelligence and (2) I read that article and (3) you have nothing else to offer.

With respect to the article, it paints him as an upstanding young man, college bound, when we have physical evidence from the video of him at the convenience store that he is a violent criminal. And again, all of the physical evidence supports Wilson's story. You have to be stupid or willfully ignorant not to see this.

If you want to let me know what physical evidence is not consistent with his story, please share.

urbanelf
And I thought this discussion would be about the video posted. No one has ANY defense of the nice old man of social justice in the video posted? "What about the 150 ft?" "He was a nice college bound kid!" "Only an animal would attack a cop! You're calling Brown an animal, you racist!" "Wah! Wah! Bloo! Bloo!"

urbanelf
Actually, I was too harsh. I apologize. I said you would have to be stupid or willfully ignorant, but the third possibility is accidentally ignorant.

EvilHomer
Gentlemen, gentlemen, as I've argued before, a person's racism is a character issue, and not at all relevant to the validity of his arguments. If urbanelf wants to hate ruraldwarves with all his heart, then that is his business; what matters is the argument, not the man.

Crackersmack
Yeah and the argument is something you can only believe if you are (1) retarded, (2) racist, (3) a retarded racist. (Staying with the list theme here)

If you have spent any time reading Wilson's insane and unbelievable testimony you would know that if he was cross examined by a real prosecutor (someone that wasn't trying to let him go) he would fold spectacularly. There are so many holes in his description that a first year law student would make him fall apart on the stand.

Read the Vox article and then come and tell me that Wilson is describing something that actually happened. You can't without deluding yourself, but there has been a lot of that going on with the pro-Wilson camp so I won't be surprised.

Cena_mark
Homer that's my schtick. Oh and countrygoblin is racist.

Oscar Wildcat
If there is a problem with Wilson's story, it's that he presents himself as this unfailingly polite and respectful police officer. He is neglecting to present the actions _he_ took to escalate the situation.

Oscar Wildcat
But I am curious why Crack and others feel that the story being promulgated about Brown's behaviour is so unbelievable. Have you really never been around people who get angry and do irrational and dangerous things? And judging from the store video Brown looks pretty angry. The kind of angry that makes you pop a cop in the nose for doing the whole "bend over so I can look at your pretty little ass cheeks" thing that cops do so love to do.

prang
If he died 150 ft. away from where the vehicle was parked, as photo evidence shows... it'd mean that Mike Brown started charging (if that's in fact what he was doing) from at LEAST that far. I don't know what Mike Brown would have figured his chances would be, facing a cop who has his loaded pistol drawn, with, I dunno, 200 ft. of distance to cover, with no weapon but his fists. He was shot with his hands up according to a majority of eyewitnesses. The "it's comin' straight for us!" story is hella fishy, especially in light of STL police trying to muddy the waters with that shoplifting video. Shoplifting is not punishable by death, no matter what your skin colour.

EvilHomer
It's not a shtick, Cena. It's the truth. (and you are right when you say it!)

But yes, of course urbanelf is racist. I'm just pointing out that his racism is not the issue here. The issue is the fact that he's crazy and also wrong.

Bort
"But good job subtly calling me a racist, you smug asshole."

The problem with Officer Wilson's story is the same as with George Zimmerman's: they require that the other party responds to danger by escaping and, once out of apparent harm's way, turning around and zooming in for the kill. I wouldn't expect any human being to react that way. The fact that you do, in Michael Brown's case, says something about your perception of Michael Brown's humanness.

Maybe it's not because of his race, I guess I can't know that about you. But that tends to be the most common reason people believe the Zimmermans and Wilsons of the world.

spikestoyiu
There are plenty of differences between this and the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman instigated a fight he started to lose and reacted by killing his opponent. Zimmerman didn't even really seem to dispute this.

People do all sorts of things when in danger. Remember it's fight or flight. It's not just flight. Pretending like there's some sort of expected, standard response in such a chaotic situation is pretty dumb. But not as dumb as just calling everyone who disagrees with you a "racist"!

Bort
"There are plenty of differences between this and the Zimmerman case. Zimmerman instigated a fight he started to lose and reacted by killing his opponent. Zimmerman didn't even really seem to dispute this."

Zimmerman's version was that he lost track of Trayvon, but then Trayvon attacked him. Which, coincidentally enough, the only possible way Zimmerman could have set out stalking Trayvon and then claimed self defense.

Maru
You know urbanelf, a person's violent intentions are often mysterious when they're a hastily crafted lie made up by the guy who murdered them.

HarrietTubmanPI
Browns DNA was on the outside of the car, not the inside.

urbanelf
TubmanPi, Bronw's blood was found on the gun, the interior door panel and Wilson's uniform. The information is available.

urbanelf
Prang, "If he died 150 ft. away from where the vehicle was parked, as photo evidence shows... it'd mean that Mike Brown started charging (if that's in fact what he was doing) from at LEAST that far."

At least that far from the car, but NOT as far from Wilson who was pursuing on foot.

Bobonne
Zimmerman's entire story is predicated on the notion that black boys are inhuman animalistic savage monsters. Someone's been stalking him for blocks, and he finally manages to get away from the guy, then he doesn't try and get back 'home' asap so he can be safe and call the cops? No, instead, he goes to try and murder the honkey? Openly and violently?

The only way you can believe that is if you believe that black people aren't human, basically. Because humans don't behave that way, short of major malfunctions, none of which Treyvon possessed.

Luckily for him, there are a lot of racists in Florida, enough for them to stock the jury, the local police department, the state judicial branch of government...

...and luckily for Wilson, the cops, local prosecutor, and many of the white citizens are racist in St. Louis, too.

Bort
"then he doesn't try and get back 'home' asap so he can be safe and call the cops"

Every now and again, I hear someone protest that Trayvon didn't follow a least distance path to his house, which proves he was up to no good. I do not have the time or the interest to see if anyone's done a "Family Circus" style map of Trayvon's route, but it's not relevant because I'm happy to cede the point that perhaps Trayvon didn't optimize his route GPS style. When you're trying to lose somebody, the first order of business is to get out of their line of sight, even if it takes you out of your way. And you are probably also wise to apply a little misdirection to make it harder for them to figure out where you live.

All that is in response to the "asap": there might be one or two reasons that "asap" isn't the ideal plan. But overall I think we're in agreement that Trayvon was trying to get home rather than kill whitey.

prang
By Wilson's acccount Mike Brown was 8'-10' away from Wilson when the unarmed teenager was shot. So... what? He ran at a cop with his weapon drawn from 10 feet away? What was the original distance the cops were saying that Mike Brown was from the car, like, 30'-40'? Why do the distances keep changing so dramatically, and why weren't measurements taken at the scene? Super fishy, especially when you consider the original "official" distance vs. the distance observed via the photos taken in the immediate aftermath. It's almost as though the only evidence retained was the evidence that would exculpate the cop. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

The frustrating thing is that being skeptical of the cops when they interact with black folk is that it amounts to an argument from incredulity. It just doesn't make sense to me that a black man would charge a cop, unarmed, with the cop's pistol drawn and aimed, after being shot already, minutes from home. It's impossible to rule out, but man is it ever far-fetched and I don't trust a word of it.

Bobonne
Well, ASAP just means as soon as possible. Sometimes, 'as possible' is longer than normal if you have to engage in some odd behavior. ...like trying to lose the guy stalking you with his SUV, that's obviously armed and probably with a scary as hell expression on his face and aggressive body language indicating he is, in fact, trying to hunt you down.

So yeah, we're in agreement, I'm just mocking the racists that believe Zimmerman's story. Turns out, the best defense against 'his word against mine on what happened' is killing the other guy, after all.

kingarthur
If you put not only this, but the independent pathologist's report together with Dorian Johnson's two hour testimony, not to mention all the other witnesses that share Johnson's view of events, you have grounds for a trial. If you also take into account Wilson's account, the fishiness of he and the other cops' testimony, and how the grand jury was conducted, you have a cover up.
Maru
Stars for your totally concise summation bravo.

Scrotum H. Vainglorious
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Vaidency
I could understand the grand jury deciding not to indict on a charge of second degree murder, but Wilson fired 12 shots at an unarmed man and witnesses disagree about what the suspect was doing at the time.

How could a sane, unbiased grand jury possibly conclude there was no reason to indict on charges of manslaughter, excessive force or assault?

Remember, we're not talking about a conviction here. This wasn't a trial. This process was to determine if there should even BE a trial. The grand jury decided that a police officer emptying a clip into an unarmed man is so perfectly normal and sensible that there is simply no way anything illegal even could have happened.
Bort
Well put.

spikestoyiu
I'm sure I'll be called a RACIST for trying to reign in the hyperbole, but not every shot actually went into Michael Brown.

misterbuns
vaidency provided the definition of a grand jury ruling.

how is that hyperbole?

urbanelf
Spikestoyiu, are you saying that ALL BLACK PEOPLE CAN DEFLECT BULLETS, YOU RACIST!?!?!?!

Bobonne
A 1/4 competent prosecutor can convince a grand jury to indict anyone they want them to.

Seems like they can convince them not to indict anyone they don't want them to, as well.

Maru
Cop murders really sort the wheat from the chaff on poe.
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