"Possible victim calling for justice" is really buried under unspeakable levels of spectacle, bullshit, obnoxiousness, histrionics and grotesquery here. Good fucking grief.
Nice find Hooker.

When Guillermo Del Toro does a movie version of this case, what kind of creature do you think he'll make her into?

1. I've seen Janice Dickinson on TV before, and she's not usually anything like this.

2. When she says "cupuppance", that's not crazy, that's drugs. Or maybe alcohol.

What TV have you been watching? Janice has always been a lunatic.

I'm not doubting her story, for the record. I'm just saying that she's a lunatic and has behaved like a lunatic on television quite a bit.

Whether you believe her or not she's just a fucking mess in this video and that's kind of the whole point.

Yeah, rape does have a tendency to turn people into fucking messes. Particularly when you're expected to talk about your rape in front of Nancy Grace and a potentially hostile audience of a few million people.

Thanks, tumblr.

This is most likely the only time I'll listen to Janice Dickinson and had to wikipedia her for any context. I did hear a soundbyte on the Howard Stern show where she sounded more put together, even funny, and then just kind of stopped with Cosby. I've dated several people who were rape victims, and while they were able to say it to me, I don't think they'd have the courage to go and tell even our close circle of friends, much less however many people watch Nancy Grace. This seems less like a crazy/messy/druggy woman to me and more someone who might actually be having a panic attack. And if she had a few drinks or whatever before the interview or something, I say more power to her. I'd do the same if I was about to talk to Nancy Grace.

C'mon, Homer. _This_ is the video that makes you drop the act?

If there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that Bill Cosby is definitely guilty and we don't need a trial to establish that. It's time to abolish the jury trial and agree that accused == guilty. Especially if the accusation is on TV.

I think we can all agree that because Cosby did a bunch of white-friendly black comedy that he's WAY less likely to be a rapist than a regular black man.

Plus the Jello commercials...that's like minus 3 rapes right there.

...and your explanation of the exculpation of Michael Jackson is....

So SolRo if you were accused of a hideous crime would you want a jury trial? Because on poetv you're a local celebrity, and a few of us are beginning to suspect you're a pedophile.

Hey now, I like rape just as much as the next guy! Rape can be a lot of fun, when it's presented as a joke, and/or as a consensual fantasy for the amusement of one or more people of either gender.

But come on, guys. This woman is a rape victim. She's discussing her rape on Nancy Grace. Yeah, OK, so the plastic surgery is pretty horrible, no excuses for that, but her behavior is totally understandable given the situation, and honestly, as a mental health care professional, I see people like this almost every day. She's stressed. She's upset. It's normal, and it's not really all that funny.

Now, I've long been arguing that we should moderate our stance towards Bill Cosby. As Hazelnut points out in roundabout fashion, trials-by-media are terrible things, and no matter how convincing his accusers' stories appear to be (and in Cosby's case, they are VERY convincing), the poor old man is still entitled to the presumption of innocence. It was the same with Michael Jackson, George Zimmerman, OJ. I have also cautioned against what I will call the "culture of rape culture"; the well-meaning but potentially disastrous reaction AGAINST rape culture. False rape accusations are just as terrible as rapes (Duke Lacrosse, Michael Jackson again), as is the trampling of non-violent weirdos' civil liberties (this is a particularly odious extension of the broader issue of sex-shaming). *We must always be on guard against witch hunts, no matter how worthy the cause might appear to be.* I don't really know what you mean by "act", Hooker, but if those things are what you mean, then they're not really acts. I have not dropped any of it.

We don't know if Ms Dickinson is telling the truth. I'll grant you guys that. BUT!... is she not entitled to AT LEAST the same level of sensitivity as we give Mr Cosby? Until we *know* that she's a liar, should we not presume good faith?? It's not hard to do. One can be skeptical while still remaining sensitive, aware yet empathetic. She's a human being, in pain, who may well have spent every single day of the last three decades wrestling with the knowledge that a beloved American celebrity raped her, and she was powerless to do anything about it. I mean, for fucks sake! If I've got to join tumblr for this, then I guess tumblr it has to be.

Go check out the YT link. Read some of the comments. Stuff like "she's a crazy liar" and "she's too ugly to be raped". That's rape culture right there! That is pure, undiluted rape culture. I put it to you that if this interview was being conducted with someone like Anita - young, pretty, erudite - people would be crying for Cosby's blood. But you take a lady who looks and acts like she just came from a battered women's shelter, and the gloves come right the fuck off.

P.S. Ugh, sorry guys. I forgot to add: Ponies Ayn Rand Babymetal!

It doesn't look good for Cosby, but I think we're still in the realm of wait and see. We don't know, and we don't need to know. None of us in the passing-judgement-on-Bill-Cosby business. I think that some kind of truth is going to come out. There's going to be a civil trial or an investigation or something, and those among us who are interested in reality will agree on a conclusion.

I believe in the presumption of innocence, but the presumption goes both ways.

EH, anything that happens on Nancy Grace is first and foremost predicated by its Nancy-Graceness. There is nothing true or false about this clip; there is only the Nancy Grace of it all.

The asinine nature of this clip has nothing to do with a desire for justice to be served. This particular clip is 2 ridiculous, ridiculous people making crap television. You have mistaken it for an opportunity to bask in your own sympathy for others on poetv, sir.

As for MJ being falsely accused, good grief, sir- good grief.

Also, do you really need to react to the 100 beardos, homos and shut-ins on this site as if they were the YT crowd? Of course there are despicable comments on YT. Surprises = 0

In commenting on this clip, we are not giving the 'at the end of the day' comments. We're looking at the pig circus that is hauling out the most insane victim, getting her doped up, and having her wallow in the mud with Miss Piggy the host.

Now, if you can piss off Gmork in some other way, I got your back.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying YOU guys are dicks! I don't mean to come off as a Nancy Naggypants or make anyone feel uncomfortable about laughing about this - hell, my first reaction was to laugh, too. But for me, there's a time and a place and a limit to all things. This is funny to a degree, but on the balance, it is FAR more sad than funny.

As for MJ, he was acquitted of all charges. There was plenty of evidence that he was a nutter with severe emotional and behavioral issues... but no evidence that he ever did anything of a violent or criminal nature. I don't care for his music and I don't care for his fans, but the jury made the call, and it was the right one.

Lets just clear things up; me thinking cosby is a rapist doesn't send him to jail.

I, and everyone else anywhere, is allowed to think of cosby as whatever they like...from lovable family friendly guy to a piece of rapist trash.


cosby doesn't need the benefit of your doubt. He has enough money, lawyers and connections to fight off any false accusations on how own. I'm going to give the benefit of my doubt to the possible rape victims who proportionally have no power at all to fight cosby.

Goddamn, SolRo, you're on fire today between that last comment and "Plus the Jello commercials...that's like minus 3 rapes right there."

I firmly believe that if someone else was acting like this, with the same circumstances, whether she looked like a monster or not, I would also find it poeTV-worthy.

SolRo, your clearing-up is disingenuous. You and tens of thousands of others and the mainstream media all declaring a person guilty is destroying his life without trial. Don't get all puffed up about how Bill is powerful; the awesome might of an aging comedian is nothing compared to an angry mob, which is the power dynamic you're so proud to be part of.

It's so weird how most people understand there's something wrong with this, until it's a Black guy who's accused, then all the white liberals somehow know in their bones he's really guilty.

So here are the possibilities for why these women are accusing Cosby of rape:

1) He really did rape them.

2) They are lying because they're scared of someone who would not approve of their sexual choices, and somehow accusing Cosby of raping them takes the heat off them.

3) They expect to profit from the accusations.

4) They are looking to destroy Cosby's career out of spice.

5) They're insane and believe a rape happened even though it didn't.

6) Conspiracy: someone is orchestrating all this.

Which option, or options, seem plausible? I could see 2-5 for maybe one or two of them, but with this many women, Bachelor Number 1 is looking like the frontrunner.

Yes Hazlenut, we're all turning on cosby because he's black...not because (so far) 21 women have said he raped them.

Your logic is still accusation == guilty. Or in this case a lot of accusations, which is not rare at all for a public figure (see Michael Jackson). Yes, it's absolutely reasonable to say race is factoring into this. They used to lynch people within living memory for the same accusations with as much evidence as you consider sufficient.

You take so much pride in seeing yourself as protecting the defenseless -- as did those lynch mobs. Let's hope you never find yourself in the same situation, convicted on all sides, your life's work thrown in the garbage, with no voice to defend yourself and no right to face your accusers. Because I don't think you'd see the irony.

I forgot one option:

7) Mistaken identity.

Still not seeing it as a likely candidate. I can't quite rule out a conspiracy orchestrated by Thank You™ Pudding though.

Six years later, let me say that events have shown that I was absolutely in the wrong in this thread. I have done a lot of learning since then.

Wow, Hazlenut, amazing that you uncovered this video today, I just told crackersmack my position on Biden now reflected my position on Cobsy then, and there it is, like a mosquito preserved in amber. You get the stars.

I can’t take credit for finding the thread: Bort just pointed me to it. Re-reading it brought back how aghast I felt when it was clear Bill Cosby was guilty as hell and a lot of folks like me had done a poor job listening.

MDMA is the ecstasy in ecstasy (as opposed to amphetamines and stuff that many x-tablets include), it's known to make you dance to horrible music, grind your jaws and some people even dig having sex on it.

I have never taken GHB and I know you can incapacitate somebody (even yourself) by having too much of any drug, but as I understand, MDMA isn't exactly what you would call a date rape drug.

if you dose someone with MDMA without them knowing and then fuck them, that is rape.

I haven't heard a Cee Lo song in years. He had a few projects dropped after the case.

If there was ever a case for allowing a scumbag to prosper, take a look at R. Kelly. There's zero question there. Not only did he marry Aaliyah when she was 15, but he filmed himself pissing on and fucking a 14-15 year old.

misterb, if you just fuck someone without their consent, it's rape, drugs or no.

It's nothing I'd seek out personally, but the song *ahem* 'Fuck You' is still a popular bar Jukebox song, and I heard that 'What Christmas Means to Me' song when I had to go Xmas shopping at the mall the other day. As for GHB, I voluntarily tried it back in college and the effects were very similar to molly for me.

Those are people who hang out in a bar playing songs on a jukebox though. Playing one of his songs at the mall seems pretty inexcusable. I guess the flipside to that though is that the case was dropped. His reality show or whatever on TBS was cancelled though.