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Lef - 2015-01-22

may i suggest the fascism tag? The bundle of twigs is classic Mussolini.

EvilHomer - 2015-01-22

Mussolini was such a fag.

blue vein steel - 2015-01-22

Actually called a fasces in that context (although i think "faggot" may be an Early English corruption of that), and these types of jokes are why i stopped watching the simpsons after the 8th season

infinite zest - 2015-01-22

Yeah, it's weird that they could get away with a double entendre like that on a show that's still marketed towards kids, but then again it was 1996 (7) and homosexuality was still, unfortunately, funny and foreign to a large population.

Potrod - 2015-01-22

This episode aired in 2006, and while it's not a great joke, I'd say it's more to show how out of touch Martin is than how funny homosexuality is.

cognitivedissonance - 2015-01-22

The fasces goes back a lot, lot longer than Mussolini. The emperor of Rome was traditionally flanked by them when performing official business at the Senate, and goes back to an even older pagan symbol likely from the Etruscans. "Fascism" is also not unilaterally evil or sinister, there have been benevolent dictators, but they are few and far between (arguably, Claudius and Augustus were pretty benevolent, and one could also argue on behalf of Napoleon, which I personally would).


Lef - 2015-01-22

And it even crosses cultures, the Mongols (yes yes, post Roman but very far away) also used the symbol of the bundled sticks or arrows for similar reasons denoting strength when moving as one.

infinite zest - 2015-01-22

Oh. I think it was a combination of BVS's comment and my unique ability to read things backwards that made me think this was S08. I could imagine a similar situation where Mr. Burns finds a mouth harp and refers to it as a "Jew's Harp" played for laughs, but this is a little much.

Hooker - 2015-01-22

Rumour has it Alexander the Great had a lot of faggots hanging around him as well.

EvilHomer - 2015-01-23

You're right, this joke is symptomatic of the problems plaguing New Simpsons. Martin is using an old English corruption instead of using the original Latin word, *despite the fact its already been established that Martin studies and understands Latin!!!* As a know-it-all and prissy showoff, Martin should have preferred "fasces" to "faggot" in this situation, even though the former word is far less common than the latter.

And you can't say a wizard did it, either. This is just bad writing stemming from inconsistent characterization.

Bort - 2015-01-23

There's a game I've started playing with my favorite entertainment, "Three Things I Want To See In _____". It's an exercise in identifying why I like what I like, and what I think writers should be doing. For example, for a Superman comic, the Three Things would be 1) Superman always has time for anyone who needs him, 2) Superman tries to bring out the best in people, 3) Superman uses his powers creatively. Give me some of that and it'll probably be a better comic than an extended fistfight with Darkseid.

So, what are three things I want to see in a Simpsons episode? Since there are so many characters the show could revolve around (plus two or three plots per episode), it's more something to ask on a character-by-character basis. With a Homer plot:

1) Whatever the wacky circumstances, the heart of it is that he wants to improve things for his loved ones in some way.

2) Homer's stupidity/selfishness is the cause of at least some of the problems he has to solve.

3) Homer spends most of his time in the world of Homer logic, where what he says and does makes sense to him but not many other people.

If I were a "Simpsons" writer, I'd probably do this exercise for each major or semi-major character, and I would Post-It my Things all over my monitor so I couldn't forget them. But I don't get the sense that's anything like how things are done; more like they're just scrambling for zany antics and punchlines.

Nominal - 2015-01-23

More than anything else, that's why The Simpsons suck now. They went from mostly character based humor to mostly WACKY RANDOM THINGS humor.

The old Simpsons had wacky random gags, but less often and it felt like they went through an editing process where the ones that didn't work were thrown out and the ones that did were polished. New Simpsons is just constantly shotgunning every random wacky idea straight to the script.

BiggerJ - 2015-01-24

Your number two for Superman is the entire point of a classic superman story, 'Must THere Be a Superman?'

Bort - 2015-01-24

And a ton of old stories were #1's and #3's -- Superman would get a letter from a kid with a peculiar problem and try to help the kid out.

Once he got a letter from a young blind girl's parents, saying that she was angry because she kept hearing tall tales about this "Superman" guy and it would cheer her up to have proof she wasn't being lied to. So he showed up and tried to use his powers to prove they were real, but she was a born skeptic and had an alternate explanation for everything he did. Eventually he realized that her blindness was being caused by a tiny sliver of glass from a car accident, so he studied up on brain surgery and got the sliver out. When she woke up and could see again, he said to her, "that proof enough for you, bitch?" Okay, maybe that last part didn't happen, but the rest did, and damn if it didn't make for an all right story in its essentials.

Lord_Crocodilicus - 2015-01-23

I would like to point out that the actual episode (if you didn't know) had nothing to do with fascism. It's just what the uploader named the video and since there's no context for this clip I assume that's what you guys took from it. I assure you, the fascism connection was contrived.

EvilHomer - 2015-01-24

FASCISM? Highly dubious!

What're you cackling at, Crocy? Too much pie, that's your problem!

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