So how do you reconcile your love of Israel and simultaneous support of neo-Nazis that want jews out of their country? (or is it like, you want more neo-nazis because that means more jews move to Israel so win/win?)
How do you reconcile the rising antisemitism in Russia?
It's rising everywhere. Israel cant keep killing brown people on a whim without it pissing off lots of people world wide. Its happening in the states and EU too.
But if you'd use your head for a second, you might notice there's a difference between not liking jews and mr Nazi up there saying "Russians and Jews and Poles" need to be stripped of their rights and property for the glory of the Ukrainian Fatherland.
And I like how you linked an article that claims the above video is pure fiction...like, those neo-nazis that want to be only a little like Hitler, aren't really there.
I didn't even open it before I replied, because I knew it would be about an Israeli group crying bloody murder over criticism of Israel. Big. Fucking. Surprise.
So what are you saying, SolRo, are you saying that any groups which supports Nazis are bad...?
Right-wing ultra nationalism is a growing problem in Europe it seems. I mean, just look at Russia.
I completely sympathize with Russia's desire to save Russians in the Eastern Ukraine, a place they annexed centuries ago and from which they have launched many genocidal acts against ethnic Ukrainians from the days of Ivan the Terrible to Stalin.
Also, there are plenty of Nazis in Russia, you silly boy.
I am not "taking sides," in the same way that I don't "take sides" in Israel, I am just laughing at your amazing ability to to simplify everything.
I actually compare Russia and Israel in this situation. Both places do irrational horrible things to their neighbors because somebody drew a line in the sand at some point and said that this was tied to their blood. If you are actually of Russian heritage and Russian history, you know what the Eastern Ukraine means to the spirit of the Russian Empire. EMPIRE.
It's not as if parts of the Russian government are calling to annex other parts of the world...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-consider s-bizarre-proposal-to-condemn-west-germanys-1989-annexation-of-eas t-germany-10014373.html
I'm sure they're only promoting the rights to self-determination of all peoples everywhere. I'm not sure where they'll get the money to "promote" more "referendums" with oil being so cheap, but I'm sure they'll come up with something.
That's what you got out of a political jab in return for the west calling Crimea an annexation (and calling for Crimea to be re-conquered), that Russia wants to invade the world?
Man, I didn't think down-voting a couple videos would so damage your mental state.
So what is your stance on the Ukraine Russia thingy, solro? I'm thinking you're pro-Russian. Why is that? On a scale of legitimacy with 0 being the US invasion of Iraq, and 10 being the American declaration of war on Japan; how legitimate is Russia's invasion of the Ukraine?
He hates everything to do with countries that support Israel. America supports Israel. Russia opposes America, hence Russia is good.
Whatever. As long as he has a grudge obsession to go off about that isn't gamergate.
Actually, I think you've got it back to front, Mr Nominal. My research in the field of SolRo Studies indicates that his first allegiance is to Russia. Russia opposes America. America supports Israel, hence Israel is bad.
SolRo, what do you think? You are our website's leading expert on the subject of SolRo; is SolRo's behavior primarily motivated by his love of Russia, or his hatred of Jews?
To be anti-Israeli doesn't make you antisemitic. I mean, I'm against the Russian meddling in Ukrainian afairs the same way I'd be against the USA invading Mexico to kill all the drug dealers. But just because I'm against some of the policies a certain nation is committing to doesn't make me against that nation as a whole. Why can't solro be more reasonable on this matter is all I'm asking. I want to hear his rationalization on these issues.
Remembering him from Poe-News, SolRo emigrated from Russia. Possibly relevant.
I thought my Russian origins were common knowledge. Did ya'll think I was a westerner with Red fever or something?
And btw, Russia is setting up a free-trade agreement with Israel, so by Nominal's logic I should hate Russia.
Baron, I'd have to turn your question back around to you;
How legitimate was the American Afghanistan war? Because Russia could make a case for protecting Russian citizens in Ukraine with the now 5000+ people killed by the righteous western-backed "Anti-Terrorist Operation" by Kiev.
The other problem with your question is that Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine. If it did, we wouldn't be talking about fighting in Ukraine, just the occupation.
Uhoh, spoiler warning for Wrestlemania! SolRo's going to turn on his old tagteam partner, Palestine! CHAIR SHOT! ISRAELI ANTHEM! SolRo and new title holder, the Iron Jew, embrace in the middle of the ring!
And you didn't answer Lord Beaver's question. If the good Baron thinks the US invasion of Afghanistan is a 0 (which you seem to be implying), then it means you're conceding that the Soviet invasion of the Ukraine is also a 0.
I donot think that's a good comparison solro. To me Russia to Ukraine is like USA to Mexico. That's why I described the US invading Mexico as a hypothetical similarity.
Either case you didn't answer my inquiry. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter as you are a cheeki breeki and I am not. Why is Russia wont to do what it is doing? What does Russia stand to lose if Ukraine goes EU?
Russia is worried about Ukraine going NATO, not as much about EU.
Russia doesn't even want Ukraine, it's economy was fucked after the previous western-backed color revolution and its corrupt (moreso than the old guard) "reformers". It just wants Ukraine to be neutral, hence why Russia offered Ukraine a sweetheart actual bailout package rather than the IMF loan/austerity package offered by the EU to peacefully keep it aligned with Russia.
The neo-nazis didnt like that (because those evil commies killed hitler) and toppled the legitimate government and replaced them with nazi worshiping (Stephan Bandera) billionaire oligarchs (who were also part of the old government, and are corrupt as all fuck, but they dont like Russia so they're heros?)
Using your scale, I'd say an actual intervention by the actual Russian army depends on how far they go. If they just clear out the Donbass area of all UA forces and enforce that border (destroy any of those neo-nazi volunteer battalions that try to shoot artillery over the border, etc). a solid 6. If they go and conquer all of Ukraine, 3.
Just so we're clear here; the Western Ukrainians are the aggressors here, they attacked the eastern areas with their military to violently put down the rebels who had not committed any violence nor were trying to expand the area that wanted to separate from the west.
Also I'm not sure why you consider the mass murder of Japanese civilians in retaliation for 2000ish soldiers during WW2 to be a glorious 10 on your scale.
And to throw your question back at you again; What does the EU/America want with Ukraine?
(freedom/democracy/humanitarianism bullshit doesn't count, see; Most of Africa, most of the Rich Middle East, parts of SE Asia, China, etc, etc.)
Actually, I think the important question is, what does the Ukraine want with the Ukraine?
Try watching the above video for some insight
That's an interesting point solro; I guess russia is reacting to this situation the same way the us used to treat south America in the cold war. That being said I don't think that legitimizes Putin's rationale.
As for WW2 I can't in good faith say that the killing of civilians in war is a good thing, or maybe even the right thing to do--like how the Japanese treated the Chinese or how the US treated it's own citizens of Japanese descent. That being said, they still attacked us under the pretext of autocracy. They started the war. And wars don't often end well for anybody.
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i don't know why this has gotta be a zero-sum game, russian nationalists are so weird
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