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Desc:Anyone want to deny we live in a police state?
Category:Crime, Horror
Tags:Police, San Francisco, police state, Public Defender
Submitted:asian hick
Date:01/30/15
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Crab Mentality
Can we pit all of these awful people against each other? The Tea party is against tyranny and taxes. Why aren't we pitting them against our awful legal system?

Oh, right... there's a black person involved, nevermind.
SteamPoweredKleenex
The Tea Party is against white and rich people being expected to obey the laws and against white and rich people having to pay taxes.

FIFY.

The Mothership
Bay Area police having a hard time recently obeying the law; http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Redwood-City-police-seeking-ow ner-of-rare-Chinese-6043596.php

There's no reason for shit like this, come on guys.
The Mothership
um, that's not the link I meant to post....divinity cycle got it.

Rodents of Unusual Size
Why were they demanding photos in the courthouse?
Gmork
Because they are insane people who see rules as a hindrance.

Binro the Heretic
Meh, kind of insane. They're zealots dedicated to amorphous concepts of "justice" and "the law" to the point they're willing to throw out both in their pursuit of them.

Sort of like how some military and intelligence people are so dedicated to the vague nebulous concept of "America" they would be willing to get every single American killed to protect it. Even if America is destroyed, "AMERICA" will survive.

Stars for pure evil.

SolRo
"arrest you for resisting arrest"

whaaaa?
oddeye
You are under arrest for not doing what I want in a non-threatening way and that's the bottom line.....

BECAUSE I SAY SO!!

SteamPoweredKleenex
It's becoming a more common tactic by the day. Usually it consists of giving an order it's impossible to comply with (i.e telling you to pull your car over when your car is clearly blocked, often by another cop) and then arresting you for non-compliance, if not active resistance.

SolRo
Yeah and both of you don't seem to get she's being arrested with a logical fallacy.

You cant resist arrest until you're being arrested, so you cant be arrested for resisting arrest (unless the cop can see the future or some Minority Report shit).

oddeye
It may be possible to be arrested for something, resist arrest, have the original charges dropped but still be convicted of resisting arrest though.

Anyway, SolRo, no one with half a brain is saying "resisting arrest" is a valid thing for her to be charged with for the reasons you have stated so I'm not too sure what "both of you" are actually missing dude.

SolRo
Fine, sorry for lumping you in with SPKs "dude, police make false arrests all the time" obviousness.

oddeye
fair's fair buddy

SteamPoweredKleenex
Sorry you had to be apologized to by SolRol "a wrongful arrest and false arrest are so different in a casual conversation I gotta start throwing yet another fit on the interwebs" and so on.

Grow up, Sol.

crojo
California's "resisting arrest" code actually includes "resisting, delaying, or obstructing cops or EMTs in the course of their official duties," so while it's a lazy shorthand that everyone uses here, it actually is relevant to what was going on.

Of course, he's totally in the wrong, but not because of insane circular cop-logic.

TeenerTot
wow.
divinitycycle
Context http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-public-defender-detained -outside-court-6046088.php
StanleyPain
The guy breaking the law to take the pictures is already part of a civil suit where he pulled over a black cop who was off duty and started asking him about his "criminal record", then put him in a chokehold. Cops have basically become this legion of socially broken manbabies.
oddeye
There ARE still good cops but this crooked cop bullshit the minority pull tars the others in suspicion off the bat. It really does no one any favours to act like this.

Basically cops should be far harder on each other than UNCONVICTED citizens.

Blue
The problem isn't the bad cops. The problem is the system that lets them get away with this shit, and the culture that embraces criminality in the police department. The good cops are as much a part of the problem as the bad cops are. And there's not much they can do about it without some systemic change either. If they speak out, the least of their worries is their ruined career. What happened to Serpico probably still happens, and we'd never fucking know about it. We we do know about is almost as bad - they had a guy committed for speaking out about the illegal quotas.

Every fucking cop that wasn't that guy was a part of the problem. We need to make it possible to prosecute police - against the department and the local prosecutors' consent. A prosecutor that prosecutes a cop successfully crosses the very people that they need good rapport with to do their jobs. That's not fair to them at all. We have to change the system so that the good people aren't so completely unprotected.

fluffy
Bad cops are to police as MRA manbabies are to fedora wearers.

asian hick
Cops who refuse to condemn and work to eliminate the actions of the so called "bad cops" are not good cops.
oddeye
In principle you are correct but it's not as simple a choice as that when the whole culture is "protect our own". One of the worst things for a cop is to be untrustworthy to other cops when "lives are on the line" and all that.

Architeuthis Tux
Then, by definition, all cops are bad cops.

Gmork
Now you're getting it.

oddeye
The only bad cops are the ones that aren't good. It's mainly because they are bad cops while good cops are good cops.

Also only black and white exist.

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