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Desc:And people want him to run for president.
Category:News & Politics, Accidents & Explosions
Tags:CNBC, OH FOR FUCKS SAKE, calm down, vaccines, Rand Paul
Submitted:joelkazoo
Date:02/04/15
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spikestoyiu
Amazing preload.

Rand Paul is a total numbnuts, but I don't think he's an anti-vaxxer. He might be a truther, a plagiarist, a conspiracy theorist, etc, but probably not an anti-vaxxer. He's obviously choosing his words carefully and spends time praising certain vaccines (not the MMR vacccine), but he says he's vaccinated his own children. I don't think an anti-vaxxer would do that.

I think the biggest problem here is that he's making some pretty extraordinary claims by saying he's heard of MANY cases of children ending up with "profound mental disorders" AFTER getting vaccinated. The CDC classifies mental disorders such as "lowered consciousness" as being a very rare potential side effect and yet Rand has HEARD of MANY of them. That's a pretty extraordinary claim and yet all we have here are anonymous, third-party, anecdotes. Given the debate that's happening right now, that's a pretty irresponsible thing to just kind of float out there, even in the middle of supporting vaccination.

And given Rand's propensity to fall for (and propagate) Internet bullshit (he's an admitted fan of Alex Jones and has publicly repeated thoroughly debunked conspiracy theories), when he says he's HEARD of these stories, he's probably just pulling them off of Natural News or some shit.
spikestoyiu
Oh, and when I say he's choosing his words carefully, I also mean that he does not say anything about Autism, but says "profound mental disorders", which most people are going to infer as Autism. This way he can say "I never said 'Autism'!" later, but the damage is already done.

Thankfully the only people who listen to this yutz are other conspiracy theorists who likely avoid vaccines already. So I don't think he's changing anyone's mind.

SteamPoweredKleenex
He and Chris Christie are dancing around vaccination as if it was radioactive. The problems for them are manifold, mainly:

1. Obama supports vaccinations.
2. Scientists support vaccinations.
3. Vaccinations clearly work.
4. Measles outbreaks are happening thanks to anti-vaxxers.

This convinces me if Obama came out and said breathing air was overall good for you and that inhaling car exhaust was damaging to your health, you'd see the entire GOP presidential field suggesting that true patriots keep their noses close to running tail pipes.

Christie is even funnier, since he ordered quarantines and other nonsensical measures to protect New Jersey from Ebola, yet actual disease within our borders is no big deal.

spikestoyiu
Obama had a weird stance on vaccinations at least briefly back in 2008. But he's since gotten away from it, thankfully.

Bort
It wasn't even that weird of a stance, more like he'd heard that autism might be connected to vaccinations, but he didn't know where the science stood. He was misinformed, but that misinformation seems to have been pretty quickly corrected.

The rest of his comments were very pro-vaccination:

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Weve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There are some people who are suspicious that its connected to vaccines and triggers, but -- this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it's very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio. And so we can't afford to junk our vaccine system. We've got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. Because if we keep on seeing increases at the rate we're seeing we're never going to have enough money to provide all the special needs, special education funding that's going to be necessary.

spikestoyiu
But I don't think the science was inconclusive in 2008. So, at least to me, it's a weird thing to say. I don't think the intent was malicious, but the "Nobody knows! So maybe!" perspective is not great.

Bort
It was a topic he didn't know enough about, and was offering what is unfortunately an all-too-common layman opinion. I figure that, within an hour of his saying that, someone on his team got him up to speed.

Anaxagoras
Wasn't the Wakefield study debunked in 2010? If so, then it would make sense to say in 2008 that it's possible that vaccines cause autism.

Also: Wow, I had no idea that Rand Paul was such an ass.

Bort
The Wakefield study was officially retracted in 2010, but it had been pretty well debunked by mid-decade. So Obama really should have known that there was no connection between autism and vaccinations in 2008; but I can also understand that, unless your job is directly related to either vaccinations or autism, your info might be out of date.

spikestoyiu
If that's the case (your info is out-of-date or you don't know), honestly just keep your mouth shut. It certainly didn't accomplish anything useful.

I'm not really comparing Obama and Rand Paul here because only one of them gets their news from Prison Planet, but it's really unfortunate that so many politicians have sometimes inadvertently fueled the anti-vax crowd.

chumbucket
Feel free to vaccinate if you want but DON'T YOU DARE get an abortion.
gmol
These sorts of things must be a result of GOP coordinated political strategies between h im and Christie. He's a doctor and picks his words very carefully so that they are all technically true. This about picking up votes that Dems don't want.
Architeuthis Tux
He's an ophthalmologist whose certification is from an institute he founded to give him a certification.

gmol
Rand Paul founded Duke?

SteamPoweredKleenex
No, Paul passes himself off as "board certified" by an organization called the National Board of Ophthalmology, which he founded.

It's a sheer coincidence they certified him, in the same way you've coincidentally won the Gmol Award for Awesomness every year.

Architeuthis Tux
Thank you kindly, SPK! Your award for this year is in the mail.

gmol
Wow, I just looked it up. Insane.

oddeye
I wish potholer was like some sort of science watchdog for politics and everyone paid attention to him when he audits statements by yahoos.
Bort
The GOP's big problem is, they have been demonizing scientists and other informed people for so long, they don't dare say the medical profession is clearly right about vaccinations. Yet another Frankenstein monster of the GOP's own creation.
That guy
seriously

Scrotum H. Vainglorious
Oh yes it's that time again where we have to say really stupid things to appeal to a stupid base. Ron Paul was crazy but he was a principled crazy who stuck to his ideological guns and never wavered once to win votes. Rand is just another fucking politician.
rhombus
I know that I really shouldn't be surprised at this point, but the YouTube comments for this video may have killed what small shred of hope I had left for the human race.
That guy
I'm too scared to look.

mouser
If he shushes Palin I'm all in for that.
badideasinaction
Rand Paul: not a paranoid nutjob, but #1 with paranoid nutjobs, and he's trying hard to walk that tightrope to stay there.
spikestoyiu
He believed Obamacare allowed doctors to report patients who owned guns to the government.

Rodents of Unusual Size
We have to work together to ruin everything about this country for good.
That guy
I shush women too.

True, it's always my friends after they have been making fun of me for 45 mintues, but I totally shush them!!
Jet Bin Fever
I wish he would get the Republican nomination. That would be a terrible thing for the country but make amazing TV!
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