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Category:Military, Military
Tags:Space, capitalism, Tim Curry, Command and Conquer
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Date:04/06/15
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Comment count is 28
EvilHomer
Overall, this really was the best RTS game ever made. It might be the best franchise (the mindblowingly shitty ending to the main C&C series notwithstanding), but this is definitely the best game.
EvilHomer
Japan > Allies > Soviets. Sorry, Jenny McCarthy.

Gmork
Only if you consider Myth to be an RTT or ARTS or any of the other genre names that didn't exist when myth was released as an RTS.

Nowadays RTS means "build 10000 buildings and put no effort into your combat tactics, just pretend its a tower defense game". If that's what an RTS is, then maybe Myth _DESERVES_ its own category. I dont know a single other game in the RTS-flavored genre that has all the characteristics Myth has.

EvilHomer
No, it's better than Myth. Assuming we allow one game per franchise, the ranking goes RA3, Company of Heroes, AoE II, Supreme Commander, Stronghold Crusader, and then Myth. Maybe.

Gmork
No. Just no. The game you're talking about is isometric, 2d and not at all close to the depth of strategy and tactics myth contains.

Gmork
Every single game you mentioned is a totally different TYPE of game than Myth. You don't build units in myth. Every single game you mentioned is TOTALLY different.

The RTS' you mentioned are for casual gamers, who play stuff like Civilization. It's just engaging enough to make you feel like it's tactical, but just lazy enough to have you cranking out fodder unit after fodder unit, dulling your actual micromanagement skills with each unenthusiastic thrust of your disposable army.

Not to mention, in all of those games, skill is SO MUCH LESS of a factor than in myth. It's really all about unit upgrades, numbers, and heavy unit production rate.

Myth is Sun Tzu's Art of War, not one of those other game engines comes close. At best they're Resource Management For Dummies.

Gmork
Id say the only one that comes close is company of heroes, but I have no interest in playing another ww2 game.

Meerkat
You are all fucking idiots and Dune 2 was the best. I really didn't get into C&C at all because it sucked sweaty ball sacks.

Simillion
This game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0t3paCm21E

oddeye
The custom map "Simpsons TD" for warcraft 3 was the best RTS ever made.

FABIO
Red Alert 3 was the better than 1 & 2, but it wasn't even the best C&C RTS set in a quasi future cold war conflict between three factions.

That would be C&C Generals. God damn, that game is 12 years old at this point and they STILL haven't made an RTS with better pyrotechnics since.

fluffy
Myth was an RTS, it's just one where you had a single army on a non-stop Napoleonic death march and you had to work hard to preserve your units because you couldn't just build some bunkers and grow more armies.

Myth II was somewhat better IMO. But Dune 2 was the best RTS.

EvilHomer
Gmork, the reason why every game I mentioned is a different type of game than Myth, is because every game I mentioned is an RTS. You were the one who brought Myth into this, insisting that Myth was capable of running with the RTS Big Dogs. I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt here, letting Myth tag along, instead of laughing it to the back of the bus like most RTS players would do.

From a pure gameplay perspective, CoH was king. However, I rate it lower than RA3 for the following reasons: the story and setting lacked the charm of RA3 ("WW2 game"), the series had far less longevity than C&C (C&C gave us at least six really great games; CoH had one god-tier game and then an unplayably bad stupid bullshit sequel long after the fact), and there are no Japanese schoolgirls going all AKIRA in CoH.

EvilHomer
Besides, I think I rated Myth pretty generously. It got sixth place! It's higher than Dune, higher than Homeworld, higher than Star Craft. Star Craft! You beat Star Craft, you should be happy!

Honestly, if we were going to be REALLY fair here, and allow RTT games other than Myth into the list, then Myth would have a much poorer showing. Medieval 2: Total War would take top spot, of course, and Men of War would slide in there between AoE and SupCom. In fact, the more we break down the RTS rule to accommodate Myth, the worse it gets for the 'Falling' Lords - if Myth counts, then why not Anno 1404, the city-builder/RTS hybrid? Why not Dynasty Warriors, the action RTT which Myth was trying to be, but failed?

Myth was a great game, don't get me wrong, but best RTS? Tim Curry would say "noOoOo".

Scrimmjob
Have to agree with Fabio on Generals being the best C&C game. I loved RA1 and 2 when they came out, but they didn't age well at all. RA3 had good and funny cut scenes, but the gameplay was pretty blah IMO.

Jet Bin Fever
Tim Curry is fabulous in everything. I think Anything Can Happen On Halloween is my favorite of his similarly Oscar-eligible acting!
Syd Midnight
Tim Curry declined a role in the Rocky Horror sequel "Shock Treatment" because he thought his American accent wouldn't be good enough. I'm glad he eventually realized how much we enjoy it when he's hamming it up. He has so much FUN.

The Mothership
Man he was kind of chubby in the 90s.
Caminante Nocturno
This is very recent, so he's kind of chubby right now.

fluffy
Sorry to break it to you, but 2008 was 7 years ago.

The Mothership
Sorry, thought this was from the original C&C. Shows what I know about video games!

EvilHomer
The original C&C focused on a future war between the lame globalist GDI and the awesome religious terrorist cult, the Brotherhood of Nod. You can tell if something is from C&C or from the Red Alert spinoff series by checking the characters; Red Alert will have Soviets fighting Capitalists, C&C will not.

EvilHomer
Also, if you recognize the actor, chances are what you're looking at is from Red Alert 3. C&C always had great cutscenes, but they really pulled out all the stops for RA3, assembling an all-camp cast which included Tim Curry, Jenny McCarthy, George Takei, Randy Couture, Gemma Atkinson, Gina Carrano, that Nazi guy from HBO's 'Oz', and even David Hasselhoff!

EvilHomer
'Is it art?' Yes, it's art.

asian hick
I'm horrified you didn't refer to Oscar winner and all around pillar of awesome JK Simmons by name.

infinite zest
Wow. That really is big-name. What's weird is that Tim Curry, according to imdb, gets top billing. By 2008 JK Simmons wasn't just the Nazi guy from Oz, but also the newspaper guy from Spiderman, and the dad from the Academy Award Winning Juno, among other things, and 7 years away from winning his own best supporting actor oscar for Whiplash. And Jonathan Pryce starred in Brazil, and, uh.. well Jonathan Pryce starred in Brazil! I mean, I like Tim Curry, but like Malcom McDowell/Mark Hamill in Wing Commander and Dennis Hopper in Hell: A Cyberpunk Thriller before him, Curry seemed a more likely candidate for a role like this and less of a "OMG it's ___ from ___" video game acting moment.

Caminante Nocturno
The only thing standing between you and the Invisible Hand is outer space.
Albuquerque Halsey
gonna chew that scenery

chewing that scenery

chewed that scenery

chewed it good
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