|Cena_mark - 2015-04-07 |
This video really riled me up. Of course I had to look it up on youtube to read comments. Of course the cop apologists are in full force, and the racism is still hanging out from the very assholes who will swear racism is dead.
Of course the cop will try to throw in the defense that by fleeing the victim was somehow a threat to the lives of himself or other civilians.
The cop is a former Coastie. I'll bet he was one of those gung ho L.E. types who got tired of counting fish.
Its not just the racism that disturbs me. The assholes say he got what he deserved are completely bereft of any empathy whatsoever. It disturbs me that people can watch a man's life end on video and not be moved at all.
Got it wrong. It was the victim who was a Coastie, not the cop.
|memedumpster - 2015-04-07 |
Ape shall never kill ape.
|Binro the Heretic - 2015-04-07 |
Holy fucking shit.
I'm just wondering how long it's going to be before a cop shoots someone filming their actions with a cellphone and plants a gun or something on them.
Or maybe that's already happened and we just don't know it?
Stars for pure evil.
|Myrmidon - 2015-04-07 |
BUT WHAT ABOUT BLACK-ON-BLACK CRIME?
|Rodents of Unusual Size - 2015-04-07 |
I keep saying this but it bears repeating that all cops should have to wear badge cams. If they aren't at all upset over killing someone, at least they will keep themselves from losing their jobs.
Also a lot of states are still trying to pass laws that make it illegal to film anything of this nature, so that's an interesting battle.
I can't possibly see a valid reason why it would be considered ok to outlaw filming public servants in a public place. What's the rational there?
What about Ramsey Orta? He's the guy who filmed the Eric Garner video, he got arrested for weapons charges, but a lot of people think he was targeted for shooting the video.
While I'm sympathetic to the body-cams argument, I'm not sure the Panopticon is the solution we're looking for. Are we really willing to be surveilled even more than we already are, for 'our protection'?
I get that this argument sounds a little right-wing conspiracy-esque, but I think the question bears asking. Maybe the trade off is worth it, but we need to really interrogate the issue, its risks, its rewards, and whether there is a better to reduce police violence.
In some ways, the call for body cams is just a band-aid fix. The problem is the attitude and culture of our police forces. Employing body cameras isn't trying to change to that attitude and culture, but rather create a cost-benefit situation where the costs outweigh the benefit.
Ideally, wouldn't it be better to change the attitudes and culture of police without having to allow ourselves to be surveilled even more? One has to figure if body cams were ubiquitous at some point that footage will start being scanned with facial recognition software and other such technologies. Why even go down that road?
How would the costs outweigh the benefits? Think about the reduction in court costs when you can see exactly what happened, and in 3 different angles? This is why I want to get a dashcam and an internal cam for my car, just in case I happen to be pulled over by some of the bullyboys of the local state troopers.
SpikeJonez, you've missed read my point on cost benefit. I said:
"Employing body cameras isn't trying to change to that attitude and culture, but rather create a cost-benefit situation where the costs outweigh the benefit."
Here employing body cameras is creating a cost-benefit scenario for the police officers whereby they have to weigh their desire (benefit) to act how they do, using excessive force and asking question later with the cost of potentially being punished for the use of force after the fact.
In such a scenario, we are not alleviating the underlying cause of police excessive force, which I've couched in the cultural attitudes of police communities, rather we've attempted to mitigate the effects of the cultural attitudes (read: excessive force).
Why is this a problem? For one, we are treating symptoms of an underlying problem, not the problem itself. I submit this is faulty ipso facto. The risk is that cultural attitudes of police, which let's just say are attitudes of violence, may simply manifest in other ways. This leaves public policy in a game of whack-a-mole, constantly trying to catch up with the latest version of police violence.
For two, body cameras may not work in preventing police violence. For instance, there are plenty of videos online taken from Police Department/Jail security cameras where cops are beating the shit out of someone _despite_ being surveilled.
And for three, as a society, we are being asked to give up a form of privacy en masse to prevent or stop the actions of the few. According to the wiki article there were ~120,000 full-time police officers in US in 2008 that could arrest people. This is only 0.0004% of the population. But let us double that 120k figure to account for part-time cops. So we are talking about subjecting the population to government surveillance in public for the acts of 0.0008% of the population in the worst case. These numbers are not persuasive, particularly given points one and two.
Police overreach and excessive violence is a problem and the behavior of police is something that must be addressed in the US. As a society we should want and demand a better living and working relationship with the police. Nevertheless, it is not clear that body cameras will achieve this end nor achieve it in an sensible way.
Even the notion of being watched/recorded would be a deterrent in my mind. I've worked enough jobs with manual cash boxes or wooden cash drawers that don't require a sale to open. So.. print out a duplicate pair of tickets for the previous movie, at 10 dollars a piece, pocket the 20 bucks. Not that I did it, but I assume people did. But when's the last time you hear about a bank teller doing that? It's because they know that there's cameras that capture nearly every angle. I'm sure there's more sophisticated methods for theft, but I doubt if you'll ever see a teller just slip a couple of hundreds into his or her pocket the way you can at many other jobs. And I know it's just a show, but plenty of cop shows show the protagonist walking right into the evidence room and taking a brick of coke and replacing it with baking soda, things like that, with nobody else around and no cameras.
Obviously, petty theft has nothing on potential homicide, and if I was a cop I'd feel kinda weird about having to take a leak and knowing that someone could see (and and potentially leak) my junk, but I'd also think twice about not just shooting someone, but think twice about what I did or said, including unnecessary police brutality, which probably occurs a lot more than we think.
I know people who bitch about their call center jobs because they go to work, have to turn in their cellphones so they can't play games or text all day, and their calls are being monitored. And that's for some shitty 10/hr job. Cops A.) make a lot more $ than that, and B.) have, I don't know, a pass to use lethal force. If Mr. call-center can't have his privacy, then why should shooty McGee?
|That guy - 2015-04-08 |
Keeping that E in POETV.
|chumbucket - 2015-04-08 |
Meets the protocol for letting the perp bleed out before any sort of paramedics show up.
|simon666 - 2015-04-08 |
What's particularly disgusting--and this isn't specific to this cop--is handcuffing dead or nearly dead man, as if that official, procedural act sanitizes the situation.
|memedumpster - 2015-04-08 |
Update : His lawyer ditched him upon seeing this video.
"I can't specifically state what is the reason why or what isn't the reason why I'm no longer his lawyer. All I can say is that the same day of the discovery of the video that was disclosed publicly, I withdrew as counsel immediately. Whatever factors people want to take from that and conclusions they want to make, they have the right to do that. But I can't confirm from an attorney-client standpoint what the reason is."
From the Law Offices of Wink Wink Nudge Nudge and Associates.
|TheOtherCapnS - 2015-04-08 |
Really weird, but my first impression of this on watching it was that it was fake or staged somehow. Not sure why I felt that way, but obviously this whole thing is horrifying.
|Nominal - 2015-04-08 |
I wonder if at some point in the future we're going to see the "we don't know what happened right before the video" defense applied to other crimes.
Binro the Heretic
A lot of people I've talked to about this don't even care about what happened before the video.
They think the guy deserved to be shot in the back just for running away from a cop.
there is a misconception that resisting arrest by running away means you can get popped at will. I used to think this was the case before I came to the USA.
I blame cop shows.
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