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Desc:Whether these people truly represent Black Lives Matter, I'm not sure
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StanleyPain
Hey, let's force the ONE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO ACTUALLY MARCHED WITH MLK off the stage to make some cheap publicity.

Morons.
baleen
They get angry when you point that out.
I'm curious as to why they chose Sanders and not a candidate that genuinely doesn't care about black lives?

1394
Probably so they don't get their heads bashed in by the police , security, or secret service.

gravelstudios
Yeah. They wanted this to go viral, and Sanders was the safest bet.

spikestoyiu
"I'm curious as to why they chose Sanders and not a candidate that genuinely doesn't care about black lives?"

Because they knew they wouldn't have gotten away with it if they had done this to anyone else.

Old_Zircon
When the millennial left hit their 40s and inevitably swings to the opposite end of the policitcal spectrum just like the hippies and New Left did in the 80s , it's going to be ugly.

Old_Zircon
Not supposed to be a reply.

memedumpster
"Niggers be muggins for attentions for like, NO REASON!"
-StanleyPain

Nikon
@baleen They don't like it when facts don't match the narrative.

StanleyPain
The reason why these shit heads did this is because Sanders is low hanging fruit. These people couldn't even get within a mile of a real political event staged by a Republican candidate and would have been instantly booted away if it were Clinton. So..of course, they pick on the one candidate who does not run his speeches like an internment camp.

It's the same shit Code Pink does half of the time where they just pick easy events for their shitty, clumsy attempts to somehow frame a conversation.

The concept of black lives matter is fine and a just one....but this behavior is totally at odds with everything social justice stands for. Punch up...not down.

Enjoy
As a libertarian and conservative, this was one of the most delicious things to see. If it had been other candidates:

Trump: let them speak, security would have hauled them off stage, Trump would have ridiculed them mercilessly for the next 20 minutes

Clinton: quickly pulled off stage by secret service, Clinton goons would have made sure they 'disappeared' and their families audited for the next 10 years by the IRS

Ben Carson: engages in dialogue and with a masterful stroke of charm and aplomb, it ends with the ladies hugging it out with Carson and exiting quietly

Paul Ryan: his massive ego grows even larger and he goes into a full screaming match with the ladies until spit fills the air. Everyone stands there shocked and silent.

Rodents of Unusual Size
I don't get this shit at all. Bernie is the most liberal of all the candidates. There are plenty of GOP candidates out there and yet HE'S the one they target? Did another candidate put them up to this? I mean it, this smacks of some kind of hidden agenda.

Either that or these people have just gone full retard.
Rodents of Unusual Size
Also they committed a completely illegal act. He didn't have them arrested because it would have looked bad and that's probably what they wanted. So fuck these people. Fuck them so hard.

baleen
The people that destroyed OWS were members of OWS protesting other members of OWS. They have an audience with Sanders, but they don't know what to do with it, and that in a nutshell is why there is no major leftwing movement in America.

teethsalad
they dropped Martin O'Malley's name as an example to follow, so if anyone is bankrolling them, I'd put my money on him

teethsalad
also - O'Malley was also the one who dropped the "Bernie loves guns" ads - wouldn't be surprised if he's running interference for Clinton in hopes for a shot at the VP bid, since she can't afford to "fire the first shot" at bernie and risk alienating progressives

memedumpster
"Niggers is sneakins for the Republicans!"
-ROUS

Sexy Duck Cop
Liberalism consumes its young. The more liberal you become, the less tolerant of unorthodox beliefs you are. Liberals pride themselves on their open-mindedness, but it's functionally identical to what happens to hardcore conservatives.

It's funny: My views are pretty liberal overal but tempered with a bit of conservatism in the sense that I believe institutions and ways of thinking don't (and shouldn't) change overnight. And yet I cannot tell you how many times liberals online reflexively call me a racist/sexist/homophobe/imperialist/warmonger for even mild disagreements.

Old_Zircon
http://portobellobooks.com/who-cooked-adam-smiths-dinner

This is a really frustratingly inconsistent book that oscillates wildly between really smart points succinctly made and idealogical ramblings that sound like a 17 year old's blog, but the good qualities outweigh the bad. One of them is a nice, quick femenist-economic analysis of the essentially conservative roots of traditional Liberalism. If I hadn't already returned it to the library I'd quote it here.

memedumpster
We all know you're liberal when it's in reference to white straight people, and conservative for everyone else. You remind us over and over again.

badideasinaction
When you hit the extreme ends, your direct enemy isn't the opposite extreme, it's anyone more moderate than you.

Rodents of Unusual Size
meme - don't be stupid. It's not out of the realm of possibility that this was sabotage on the part of some candidate who wants to either distract attention away from the GOP OR try to give Bernie bad press because he's direct competition.

However, I think it's possible they are just retarded as well. See, I'm not racist, I'm just an asshole who doesn't care.

That guy
HOLY SHIT.
This is the epitome of the left eating itself.
Like..... even the first 30 seconds is enough.
"Bernie, you're standing on STOLEN LAND"

Next time you meet a moderate that disappoints you for sometimes voting red, remember this shit, poetv. This is Grade A stupid.
Rodents of Unusual Size
This literally makes less political sense than anything ever.

Why aren't Black Lives Matter groups targeting Rand Paul? He missed the black conference he was supposed to attend last month.

memedumpster
"Niggers is inferiors to moderates."
-That Guy

Sexy Duck Cop
The more liberal you are, the more other liberals want to attack you.

memedumpster
This is true, SDC. Most liberals are pretty far to the right of an actual world worth living in. Look at all these motherfuckers right here, crying because the uppity darkies are tired of being shot while the candidates talk about precious snowflake oligarchy.

Rodents of Unusual Size
We should just change your name to memenigger

Rodents of Unusual Size
I mean since you like that word so much. Because you're RACIST OBVIOUSLY

Potrod
You're joking I guess but he genuinely seems more hateful than any white liberal/KKK member you could pick, just towards everybody who doesn't share his exact beliefs.

That guy
yeah... um
amazing work there, meme

changing your name to nuancedumpster

namtar
The "official" Black Lives Matter organization hasn't denounced it and in fact has released a statement basically stating that they support no individual political candidate. So, they basically own it now by virtue of not disowning it.

The two protesters, however, they're like living parody.

1.) Facebook picture reveals that Marissa Janae Johnson (the one with glasses) was once a Sarah Palin supporter. How one goes from radical right to radical left has left some on the internet to suspect she's a plant.

2.) Marissa Janae Johnson can be seen in a selfie wearing a shirt saying "Sipping On White Tears" while drinking from a glass of water.

3.) Both protesters seem to be from a group called Outside Agitators 206, a group who's mission statement is:

"First off, we have four points of unity:

We center Black voices to celebrate and affirm Blackness. We believe that any movement to end anti-Black racism must be led by Black people.
We believe that everyone has a right to resist their oppressors and what resistance looks like varies for different individuals and different circumstances.
We donít directly speak to corporate media, nor do we need them. We are our own voice.
Fuck the police: As an institution fundamentally rooted in white supremacy and anti-Blackness we reject the police presence in our communities, absolutely. It is our responsibility to hold each other accountable and keep each other safe."

4.)Mara Willow, the second female protester, her twitter account: @marawillow, describes her as following: "Queer. Disabled. Black Femme. Unapologetic Rebelutionary" It's like someone decided to make a satiric profile of a radical liberal.

Also this isn't Mara Willow's first protest. A photo has surfaced of her at the #blocktheboat anti-Israel protest in California, supposedly pretending to be Palestinian.
Xenocide
Yeah, I think these girls are just looking to gain notoriety. Most likely they picked Bernie because they know it'll stir up controversy, without getting them shot or beaten up like they probably would if they tried this at a Republican rally. Plus Hillary probably has better security.

That said, the idea that Black Lives Matter "owns this" because they won't dignify it with a disowning statement is ridiculous. That's right out of the school of logic that says "Islam supports terror because every single cleric won't drop everything he's doing to make a statement of condemnation every time an ISIS member farts."

namtar
Yes, but every Islamic cleric isn't a member of the parent Isis organization.

This is a local group using the name "Black Lives Matter" and the parent organization called "Black Lives Matter" issued a statement saying they weren't going to apologize or condemn the local group's actions.

They took the time to "drop everything" to issue that statement. If they didn't like the local group's actions they would have said so.

memedumpster
"Niggers be targetin' Bernie cause dey too scaredy-nigger to get shot by the other candidates!"
-Xenocide

Old_Zircon
"
1.) Facebook picture reveals that Marissa Janae Johnson (the one with glasses) was once a Sarah Palin supporter. How one goes from radical right to radical left has left some on the internet to suspect she's a plant."


Some on the Internet bust not understand the underlying psychology of radicalism.

Old_Zircon
Also, what Xenocide said.

memedumpster
I'll put you down for the "niggers need to shut up and remember their place in the white vote" Christmas ham package, Zirc.

All of these tired straight-out-of-the-Republican-playbook rebuttals were tired when the Republicans did them. It's downright insulting to use them when it suits you after spending decades calling them out for the right.

Old_Zircon
Radicalism is inherently self defeating, and I reject it regardless of source.

Bort
O_Z, I'll let MLK Jr field this one:

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

"Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

Xenocide
Yes Meme, any criticism of a black individual whatsoever DOES equate to vicious racism! Good job not jumping off the deep end on that one.

And OH HEY LOOK Black Lives Matter activists did condemn these women, and neither of them were never members of BLM to begin with:

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/10/real-black-lives-matter -wsnts-activists-publicly-apologize-bernie-sanders.html

I guess Black Lives Matter is super-racist now too by Meme's definition. Won't somebody please appropriate some more out of context MLK quotes and stop this terrible organization?

Bort
The context of that MLK quote was just fine, and entirely in place for this article. These two people weren't speaking for BLM overall, fair enough. But official BLM supporters did this same thing back at Netroots Nation and got the same response, which was the same one MLK got back in the day.

And since BLM did succeed in getting Bernie's campaign to show signs of grasping how racism works these days, even if they were in the wrong, they were still in the right.

Konversekid
This popped up in response to this. Probably the most reactionary thing I've seen all week.

White people fucking hate being called racist.

https://twitter.com/dnboc
memedumpster
Whoa, I didn't know white people had a hive mind which has a Twitter account.

That is some Voltron Singularity Devestator right there.

Bort
I linked to this earlier, I'll link to it again:

http://zuky.tumblr.com/post/903970904

One of the more insightful observations -- and depressing when you first notice it's right -- is that white liberals and white conservatives have more in common than white liberals and blacks. White liberals and white conservatives are swimming in the same metaphorical water (to which they are oblivious because it is a constant), and black issues are all about a "them" that occupies a different cultural space.

Bort
Yes yes, what could these black people be so angry about? Well as it turns out, some of them are educated enough and articulate enough to use the Internet and explain it:

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/9005855/black-twitter-bernie-sand ers

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/20/9001639/bernie-sanders-black-live s-matter

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/22/9014931/blacklivesmatter-and-popu lism

I keep hearing that Bernie is the most progressive candidate out there, but when it comes to race, he's got it all backwards: in his head economic inequality is what causes racism, but in reality it's racism that lets Republicans foist economic inequality on the country.

So Bernie marched 50 years ago, big deal. Today's issues aren't solved by marches; does Bernie even get that? Bernie's answer to everything is to increase wages; would a bigger paycheck have saved Trayvon Martin or Sandra Bland?

We white folks have our grievances about wages and shit, but our grievances are nothing compared to black folks'. It is every bit their right to challenge candidates to demonstrate that they're listening. And I say it's a matter of basic human decency to listen carefully when blacks are expressing their grievances, not tell them to shut up and give their votes up to the guy preferred by white progressives.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: a lot of Bernie supporters are about one income bracket away from becoming Teabaggers. Teabaggers are statistically above average in terms of income and education, like Bernie supporters; add to that the eagerness to throw blacks under the bus -- or at a minimum to the back of the bus -- and I don't have much faith that they're backing Bernie for any reason but their own personal interests.

Yeah, a part of me doesn't like how these folks went about challenging Sanders. But how often has it worked for blacks to wait their turn? That was the thing MLK Jr hated the most, white Americans who were nominally supportive of him but didn't like how he was going about it, and felt he should wait for a more convenient time. If those are the rules blacks have to play by, we'll never get around to them, and they know it.
Bort
And I think it's unspeakably shitty to question the sincerity of people who basically don't want to be killed over routine traffic stops. If you can't see how they might be legitimately frustrated by that sort of thing, go get a trepanation or whatever it takes to fix your brain.

GravidWithHate
"People speak over us, silence us, and dismiss us. We hate the people who do that and think it's totally unfair when they do, and also we are totally entitled to do that ourselves to anyone we want. We expect people, for some goddamn reason, not to be as upset when we do it to them as we are when they do it to us."

But you know what? You're right. Showing up and screaming demands until the event grinds to a halt is the best possible way to get people to understand and sympathize with your cause. Repeatedly attacking the most liberal candidate in the democratic field an entirely sensible and productive thing for them to be doing to achieve their aims working on and anyone who claims to be a liberal and says otherwise is just hiding their Tricorn hat and Klan robes in the closet.

Bort
"most liberal candidate"

By what definition? By what definition that might assuage black concerns about how much less their lives are valued?

You know, Bernie could have made this all go away just by understanding blacks' grievances in the first place. The fact that he handled it so poorly -- trying to pivot over to economic issues -- pretty much proves BLM's point that Bernie doesn't get it. Or at least didn't get it at the time; perhaps he learned something from the incident. He comes from the whitest state in the union so there's a learning curve, but it's on him to learn, not for blacks to shut up and listen to the nice white man.

Hillary knew to say "Black Lives Matter" as of last year, so this shit isn't news to anyone who's paying attention. You can doubt Hillary's sincerity if you like, but at least she can talk a good game. And if she can do it, why can't Bernie?

spikestoyiu
There's zero chance that someone who very proudly parades around in a "White Tears" t-shirt "basically" doesn't want to be killed during routine traffic stops.

They've accomplished nothing but foster ill will for their movement for this.

Bort
I like their movement BETTER for having done this.

And about those noisy movements led by noisy blacks ... it's been a year and a day since Michael Brown was shot; in that time there have been protests, riots, vandalism, and destruction, but it has led to increased public awareness and calls by presidential candidates to reform the way the police go about their business. Turns out noise works, when polite silence did not.

Again, all Bernie had to do was have a rudimentary understanding of the Black Lives Matter cause, and this wouldn't have been a problem for him. Hell, it would have been his proudest moment.

Bort
By the way, how well has the noise worked? Bernie just put this up on his site:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-racial-ineq uality_55c81153e4b0f1cbf1e56b77?kvcommref=mostpopular

It used to be that he didn't have any section of any kind regarding race. So, good for him for listening and paying attention! BlackLivesMatterWorked!

namtar
Bernie hired Symone Sanders (no relation) as his press secretary several days ago who is a criminal justice advocate and member of the Black Lives Matter movement. His understanding of the cause is probably greater than anyone running.

Bernie is the most liberal candidate in the field. He's also the most accessible with the most crowds. THAT's why they've targeted him, because they can. Also, what republican is going to address an open forum in liberal-ass Seattle?

The other candidates, even some of the democrats, probably would never be in venues where protesters could get so close, and if they tried that shit with Hillary the secret service would never let them get that close to her.

Protesting Bernie sanders about progressive issues is like protesting air pollution in front of a wind farm.

memedumpster
Bort, you're wasting your time. You may as well be appealing to the end of the oppression of Palestinians.

This is what the vast majority of white people are all like, everywhere. No black person should ever rely on them.

Unless, like me, you have a good time telling them what shit they are. Then, by all means, continue. It's okay to piss up a rope when the rope hates it.

namtar
"This is what the vast majority of white people are all like, everywhere. No black person should ever rely on them."

Way to decry racism by making racist remarks.

memedumpster
I'm a white person, and I am speaking the truth. I hear all the shit white people say when no one else is in the room.

You can't hide from me.

I'm the tiger in your motherfucking river.

memedumpster
WHITE PEOPLE CANNOT BE RELIED UPON TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK OPPRESSION. THEY WILL NOT DO ANYTHING.

This is your tee shirt right here, baby!

Shout it from the mountain.

Bort
"Bernie hired Symone Sanders (no relation) as his press secretary several days ago who is a criminal justice advocate and member of the Black Lives Matter movement."

That is to his credit!

"His understanding of the cause is probably greater than anyone running."

I seriously doubt that, given his previous behavior and his previous statements. But he is learning and I trust he is being sincere in ascending the learning curve.

"Bernie is the most liberal candidate in the field."

Depends on how you define "liberal". If your issue is being able to afford more Skittles, great. If your issue is actually making it home from the store with your Skittles, well, Bernie's improving. Bernie's the right man for you namtar, now why is he the right man for black folks? It's a perfectly fair question.

"He's also the most accessible with the most crowds."

... Most of which are suspiciously low on melanin.

"THAT's why they've targeted him, because they can."

They are testing him all right, but to see whether he's an ally, not because he's easy to punk. And shame on you for being so dismissive of black motives. Even if I suspected a given BLM member was more into getting attention than trying to help blacks everywhere, the cause is sufficiently legitimate that the speaker's myopic outlook does not discredit the cause.

"Protesting Bernie sanders about progressive issues is like protesting air pollution in front of a wind farm."

Until this morning, Bernie didn't even consider race a progressive issue, not one that merited being up on his campaign site anyway.

But now that it is up there, I trust that you will do an abrupt 180 and argue passionately for the legitimacy of the BLM movement?

namtar
Umm maybe you should stop hanging out with so many racist white people behind closed doors, Meme.

I do believe it's affected your worldview.

Potrod
Can we put a moratorium on the word "folks?"

namtar
Bort, what candidate is talking more about issues BLM cares about than Bernie?

Is it Hillary? The same woman who said "All Lives Matter"?

Bort
Only if you fucks read this and give it a think:

http://zuky.tumblr.com/post/903970904

Bort
"Bort, what candidate is talking more about issues BLM cares about than Bernie?"

The question is irrelevant -- they ALL should be held to demonstrating that they get it, and Bernie is only now starting to show any glimmers of comprehension.

Your beautiful prancing unicorn is fair game, same as any other candidate.

Potrod
He's gone on the record multiple times, months prior to this, with quotes like "From Ferguson to Baltimore and across this nation, too many African-Americans and other minorities find themselves subjected to a system that treats citizens who have not committed crimes as if they were criminals and that is unacceptable."

"People should not die for a minor traffic infraction. This type of police abuse has become an all-too-common occurrence for people of color and it must stop."

But unlike Hillary he hasn't explicitly shouted the hashtag so I guess his actual sentences to the same effect are irrelevant? Now he has a couple paragraphs on his website. Whoopee.

Bort
Anyone can respond to a tragedy with a boilerplate denunciation of the bad people involved. I think Hallmark sells cards for that.

The fact that he has officially made race an issue he's campaigning on, is at least a promising step.

Potrod
You are comparing Hillary favorably to Bernie for the exact same kinds of boiler plate response.

Gmork
Bort - stop while you're behind.

Bort
Potrod - Hillary's had race as an actual issue on her site for quite some time now. As I've said, she may or may not be sincere, but at least she can talk the talk. Until today, that wasn't at all clear with Bernie.

Potrod
I don't get the focus on the websites. He's gone ON THE RECORD, verbally stating the exact same ideas expressed in the 1 paragraph on Hillary's website. He literally has already talked the talk.

Potrod
And continues to talk the talk, I should add.

Scrotum H. Vainglorious
"Teabaggers are statistically above average in terms of income and education"

Bort
'S true! Here's an article entitled "Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated":

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html?_r=0

They're fucktards, but fucktards with money and a degree, and a federally-subsidized Rascal scooter.

Rodents of Unusual Size
"I'm the tiger in your motherfucking river."

memedumpster you sound like you've become the Charlie Sheen of POE.

Hooker
Black lives matter, but some black lives matter more than others.
memedumpster
"Niggers be violatin' equal rights!"
-Hooker

Hooker
Because Animal Farm was the story about the farmers winning.

Hooker
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't read the rest of this page first. I didn't realize you just wanted to drop as many n-bombs as you could.

Rodents of Unusual Size
It is a little known fact that the pigs on Animal Farm dropped the n bomb DAILY.

memedumpster
Are the niggers oppressing you precious snowflakes again?

Every comment on this video except Bort's is why I think black people should just be in a constant state of rioting until change is forced. Appealing to liberal whites is useless, you all turn Confederate at the slightest discomfort. Talking to you about it is a colossal waste of time.

My contempt for you is absolute.

Except Bort, he my honkie.

Fuck all you DailyKos teabaggers.
namtar
Would you say you're sipping on white tears?

Cause there's a t-shirt for that.

memedumpster
White tears are the only guaranteed source of water a post-climate change world will have. Once desalination technology is cheaper, white tear plants might actually save California.

Potrod
memedumpster is the new waugh, except way more obnoxious. It's kind of a sad way to live.

Bort
namtar, the uppity black people won. Bernie has officially recognized their grievances as legitimate in their own right, and not just something he can file away under "Economic Inequality, Non-Vermont".

That is a GOOD thing ... isn't it? Is there some reason you think Bernie SHOULDN'T take race seriously as its own issue? Because holy fuck you people.

namtar
"Uppity Black People"?

Fuck you Bort

Bort
I'm sorry, perhaps I should rephrase it.

"UPPITY BLACK PEOPLE", all caps.

That's what it comes down to, whether you like seeing it that way or not. They're trying to get a system to respond to them; patiently waiting sure hasn't been very effective, so they're going the other route, and finding at least some success.

Gmork
Wow. Way to be an ignorant racist cunt.

Rodents of Unusual Size
Well given three of them tried to kill me last year in Seattle, I don't think all their lives matter, and the police have my full permission to shoot them in the head.

I hope that clears things up for you. #GangLivesDontMatter

kingarthur
I recall the Hannibal Buress joke about the US Army. Something along the lines of "Hey, I support the army as a concept but you, as an individual, you an asshole."

The same can be applied to any race or group of people. There's assholes of every color.

That guy
epic heel turn here, nuancedumpster

That guy
I love how you think that Ferguson is a trump card for anything, anytime, anywhere.

That guy
consider going back on your meds, ffs

15th
Come back, please.

RedHood
Political games are next level kids. Like GoT next level. See you at the races. #tinfoilhat
Zoot42
Yeah the ex-palin supporter thing rraised a red flag for me, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

teethsalad
if you think politicians always run their campaigns above board and would never engage in these sort of tactics, you're just as foolish as somebody who thinks everything is a conspiracy

Bort
She had a Sarah Palin button back in high school; that's hardly the same as dedicating her life to Teabagger causes. And yet, all across the Internet, it seems the Bernie cult has seized upon that as evidence that BLM can safely be ignored as a bunch of malcontents infiltrated by Bernie's Enemies.

Zoot42
That's sad, Bort. I'm a Bernie supporter but don't spend any time talking about him online. I believe that BlackLivesMatter as a real and very important movement but my suspicion is that these two ladies are plants.

Talking about plants I remember that a popular blacklivesmatter post proved that some white people on twitter were pretending to black looters during Ferguson. It's really fucked up out there.

Bort
I swear, a big chunk of the Bernie support base has turned into a creepy cult. To hear them tell it, Bernie has ALWAYS understood race along the lines BLM breaks it down, Bernie has ALWAYS been campaigning for the things BLM has been asking for, and BLM did nothing to affect Bernie's thinking in any way, all they did was smother and silence the ethereal music that emanates from Bernie's lips.

BHWW
What "reforms", exactly, are they asking for? I'm being serious -- because they just scream their slogans, sell t-shirts, post selfies on Instagram, and cause traffic jams.

Sanders is the only candidate who won't call the cops on them. It's why he's so lucky and gets hit like he represented things he doesn't. Is that why they're gunning for him, because he's seen as a soft target? Instead of HRC? or GOP candidates? I wouldn't call conspiracy just yet but it's a bit fishy.

I have no idea what their message is. Neither do they, given their rambling statements. One of their hastags is #FreePalestine so it makes sense they're going after the candidate who probably agrees with that sentiment.
Bort
Until just this morning -- this morning! -- Bernie didn't even mention racial inequality as an issue he intended to combat. But check out his new page:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

The fact that they got Bernie to recognize race as an issue, is itself a victory. And doesn't that say something sad about Sanders.

If you want to find out what BLM's issues and suggestions are, you could find out very easily. Why don't you? You remind me of British aristocrats sitting on the veranda somewhere in India in 1857, wondering why the local laborers on the estate look so surly, but not even thinking to ask them.

Potrod
"Until just this morning -- this morning! -- Bernie didn't even mention racial inequality as an issue he intended to combat."

Demonstrably false: https://berniesanders.com/sandra-bland-arrest-painful-dreadful/

Bort
Fine, he said he felt that what happened to Sandra Bland was "painful and dreadful". Words, by the way, that are laughably understating the matter. And he made a couple recommendations.

But that's not the same as campaigning on race as an actual issue; today's new Web site page changes that.

Gmork
"Words, by the way, that are laughably understating the matter. And he made a couple recommendations."

Bort - seriously? GET FUCKED. You're the biggest fucking hypocrite on this entire site.

Bort
And predictably enough, George Zimmerman's one-man cheerleading squad chimes in.

Gmork
Bort - I never once supported george zimmerman. Where the fuck are you pulling these retarded assumptions from?

I swear to god, you all just plugged your ears and shut your eyes and pretended to read whatever the fuck you wished my posts said, rather than what they actually say.

Pathetic. You just keep substituting your own childish delusions onto me.

Gmork
For a bunch of people obsessed with pretending they're hyper-intelligent to each other, you always turn into a drooling idiot who can't remember a simple conversation when talking to me about guns or race.

It's incredible how racist you are. Just spectacular.

simon666
In political movements, movements attempting to progress a social policy, there is often a tension between rallying the all ready sympathetic and persuading the uninitiated to take up your cause. This rally seems geared toward the former.
TeenerTot
So, a couple of people were being kind of rude at a political rally. Whooppeee.
simon666
Bort said: "The fact that they got Bernie to recognize race as an issue, is itself a victory."

Perhaps, but it may well be another flaccid victory in a long history of "symbolic" victories of the left/progressives.

What really seems to be needed is someone(s) to think through a line of "victories" and assess how each is supposed to build on the previous and set the conditions of success for the next battle. What a lot of protests--BLW, OWS, Cause De Jour--risk is being about is the act of "voicing" a particular political position and not changing the state of affairs in the world.

It may seem like a minor distinction, but it is a distinction which, I think, is important. Simply voicing a position however loudly and consistently is a different act than persuading. Former may be incorporated into the strategy of the latter, but without a coherent plan, the former risks being a story by some washed up middle aged people about how they used to protest cause X.
simon666
Supposed to be a reply on a thread.

Bort
Good points. But an essential first step is getting the notion in people's heads that suchandsuch cause is legitimate and important.

What makes this particular cause so hard to deal with is that it's got more to do with culture than law; in theory all the laws are on the books already to protect blacks, but when the system turns a blind eye -- for example, the prosecutor throwing the George Zimmerman case -- the problem isn't that the laws were inadequate, so much as the people enforcing them were.

Scrotum H. Vainglorious
The one with the dreads is pretty cute but fatty mcfatty could use a gym membership and a healthy diet.
Rodents of Unusual Size
She could use a muzzle.

TeenerTot
Thanks, Mr. Trump.

garcet71283
KILL WHITEY
Two Jar Slave
Changing public opinion is too vague and unrealistic a goal for any effective social movement to undertake. Every successful social movement that I know about (I'm really not an expert on this, by the way) has had far more specific and explicit goals than "get everyone to recognise our plight and agree with us." The only times such unfocused movements do appear to succeed are when general opinion is already tipping in their favour anyway, and the movement becomes a rallying point around which a by-that-point-inevitable sway in popular opinion can turn. But I don't think that's the case for either OWS or BLM; the public isn't poised to embrace their plights. So, in my opinion, they both need stronger goals and better organisation if they want to effect change. It's not that their concerns are invalid--not at all--but their approach seems ineffective.

Both movements are fine for venting frustration and creating buzz, and I don't fault them for that, but a lack of organisation seems to me like a tragic waste of potential. Look at OWS; so much energy just vented into the atmosphere.
simon666
This seems right. Additionally, Bort is right in his/her reply to my comment above that this is a cultural and not legislative issue.

A thought (albeit one that I haven't thought all the way through): BLM might position itself as a movement focused on police procedural reform at the local and state level; police overreach in terms of force or authority/power seem to be concerns for both the right and left. Progress here should help the black community and the general concerns of BLM.

What I suppose I'm suggesting by the thought fragment above is that if BLM (and other progressive movements) can "sell" their message as one for improving problems that effect common problems, they may gain popular support, while teaching/introducing people to how the common problems specifically effect facing the black community.

simon666
Sorry about the grammar.

Two Jar Slave
Meant as a reply to Bort.
Two Jar Slave
What the shit.

Nominal
Ah geez, Bort. I've been so with you on every political stance so far. Now it's like you're almost going full Evil Homer. Everything you're saying here is completely contrary to everything you've said before. What happened to rejecting an extremist stance of insisting on the perfect candidate and instead going with the best candidate and working to gradually improve them?

Meme, at this point I seriously hope you go get help. Your entire posting career has been about vindictiveness and it's hard to believe that your stance on #BlackLivesMatter isn't out of finding another acceptable excuse to be shitty and vindictive towards people. It's extremely hard to believe that it's out of empathy for black people because you've never expressed empathy at all your entire time here. You were incapable of expressing simple joy at gay marriage legalization, and could only tie it up in how it must piss off conservative white people. Vilifying people is the only thing that brings you satisfaction.
Potrod
It's weird because just a few videos up, Bort says "I know far too many Lefties who would have rather seen the Democrats push for single payer and fail, rather than achieve the gains we got with the ACA" which is, as you say, exactly the opposite spirit he's expressing here (albeit on a different issue).

I don't know if memedumpster is mentally ill or just a gross human being.

Bort
"What happened to rejecting an extremist stance of insisting on the perfect candidate and instead going with the best candidate and working to gradually improve them?"

Um, isn't that what just happened with Bernie? BLM has forced him to update his views on how racism works, and he seems to kind of get it now. He is a better candidate for all this.

Bort
Or, think of it this way. To us white voters, some degree of economic fairness plus non-lunatic foreign policy are more or less what we're looking for, and beyond that it's a matter of selecting for the most fair and the least lunatic. Perfection isn't required. But if you belong to a demographic that stands an elevated chance of being shot by cops for no good reason, you will be looking for a candidate who at least understands why that is a concern of yours. Not asking for perfection, just a rudimentary understanding of black issues as they stand today, not 50 years ago.

It's not too much to ask of a candidate who might want or need black votes.

teethsalad
i'm glad that they taught the jewish guy who lived through the 20th century how racism works

Bort
I'm glad they did too! The fact that Bernie changed his approach to race proves that his understanding was in fact woefully incomplete.

I realize you're trying to be sarcastic, but you're doing a poor job of it. Being a white Jew from Vermont probably doesn't offer much insight into the problems of black America, the most obvious point being: you wouldn't know Bernie was Jewish unless he told you.

Wheelie McJesus
"NIGGERS NIGGERS NIGGERS NIGGERS NIGGERS NIGGERS NIGGERS"
-memedumpster
Enjoy
"Why does this even matter? Our loyalties require us to vote for Master Clinton anyway" - poetv collective
15th
Prospective let-down candidate's posturing function interrupted by protesters. PoeTv outraged by lack of decorum. Interesting.
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