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Desc:This video is about Why You Must Go to the Scene of the Arrest in New York.
Category:Educational, Crime
Tags:Drunk, Divine, dwi, upstate new york, ithaca
Submitted:lotsmoreorcs
Date:08/22/15
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4) You go to the arrest scene so you can bill your client for another five hours.
15th
Let's find that technicality!
MurgatroidMendelbaum
Ethics; the poor man's Elective.
fluffy
Also some arrest scenes might have a lot of suspended ethanol in the air which is why the breathalyzer registered .15!
That guy
I'm totally fine with this lawyer, let alone defense attorneys in general going to visit the scene. I don't get it.

Killing people with your car while DUI is evil. But so is lowering the legal BAC level over and over again, and squeezing K out of anyone convicted, when all is said and done.

Defense lawyers *should* get their clients off anyway they can. It's an adversarial process. The police and city attorneys have plenty of tricks, too.
SolRo
Counter point; drunk drivers kill thousands every year; fuck you and anyone that makes a living getting them off the hook

That guy
counter-counter-points:

People get DUIs for bullshit reasons sometimes.
People get pulled over for bullshit reasons sometimes.
Cops falsify evidence sometimes.
Laws get written to generate revenue, such that if they detect just about any blood-alcohol, goodbye K.
You are a fartface.

infinite zest
Even though I never met the guy, I admired my ex-wife's public defender after her DUII; luckily it was around bartime and nobody was on the streets but she hit about 6 cars in a very narrow (and confusing) intersection and continued to drive home. While I was the comforting "it could happen to anyone" husband, dude was a total hardass to a tiny, sobbing girl who had a little too much to drink one night. He DID get her out of jail time in lieu of community service and meetings, reminding her that even a sip of Kombucha would show up in her system and she'd go directly to jail.

Now, if it was vehicular homicide and it's obvious the driver is drunk, that's a different story, but I don't think that's really in the jurisdiction of these guys. The bad ones will try to get you off the hook, but the good ones will do so by making damn sure that you never think about doing it again.

infinite zest
Whoops our comments overlapped. Yeah, there's bullshit reasons: I got a DUI on my bike a few years ago. I was leaving the bar, having had 3 beers (that's nothing for me) and a 5 block ride home. My chain locked up in the middle of the street and I took a spill right in front of two cop cars that just happened to be there. The more I argued that I could WALK my bike home and they could follow me, the more angry they got, breathalyzed me and threw me in the drunk tank overnight, not even telling me what I breathed (it had to be under the legal limit, or at least I wasn't drunk..)

So yeah, that was just the cops meeting their quota. Another time some friends of mine were driving to visit family in South Dakota and from what I understand having an Oregon license plate is pretty much your undoing. They got pulled over and they didn't have any drugs or alcohol on them, but after a thorough search found a single oxy pill between the seat cushions. 10,000 bail, just like that.

SolRo
Okay. Fuck both of you.

The whole "DUIs aren't a big deal if you don't hurt anyone" are the whole reason people take the chance driving drunk anyhow. And it's in a fucking two ton plus weapon. Your ex could have just as easily smeared some guy against one of those cars if the odds put someone there.

You're both fucking irresponsible idiots and I hope if you get caught driving drunk that you get raped in jail, you self absorbed jackasses

baleen
SolRo, you never leave the house, what do you care?

That guy
SolRo you're so genuinely motherfucking ignorant.

I did not say that they aren't a big deal.

But if the BAC percentage that is criminal keeps going down, the government is just trying to generate revenue.

People have gotten DUIs for turning their cars on and sleeping with the heater or A/C on.

If someone gets pulled over illegally and happens to be tipsy, that's what defense lawyers are for. That person should never have been pulled over in the first place.

You're such a fucking bleeding heart about injustice most of the time, and on this one you have a mouthful of dicks.

I'm sure that extremely broad DUI laws have been used to fuck with people from all your special groups. Get the dicks out of your mouth.

SolRo
And cocksuckers like you defend the prick lawyers like in the video because of one reason; you're entitled assholes.

DWI lawyers aren't there to uphold justice, or balance the judicial system; they're there to get any rich people that pay enough out of jail time, because it's easy/quick work and pays a fuck-ton.

I know at least one repeat drunk driver that got off twice with slaps on the wrist, because his daddy could afford the best DUI lawyer around....he sure did learn his lesson, and is now in jail because of a 3rd DUI and minimum sentencing.

And go stick that "oh states just want to make money" republican bullshit up your well-used colon...studies have shown that lower levels of alcohol still significantly impair driving, so the laws are starting to reflect that.

SolRo
http://www.today.com/health/some-drunken-drivers-keep-returning-ro ad-despite-repeat-offenses-t9526

That guy
So when you become king, no day in court for certain crimes.
Gotcha.
Police can administer unfair field sobriety tests at will.
Soundsfairtome, SolRo!!
States never change laws to try to increase revenue.
Ok.

Repeat drunk drivers make all of this true.

Yeah, I am entitled to due process, bitch.

SolRo
Like I said, go fuck yourself, you entitled festering piece of republican shit.

"unfair field sobriety tests"

Yeah, those tests are so unfair because they're hard to pass when you're drunk...someone call the ACLU! These government fascists are oppressing my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to be a drunken douche at 90mph.

That guy
How do you manage to make so much stupid out of so very little??

Why can you only imagine slam-dunk guilty cases of slobbering drunks driving 0-mph and killing people, and then assume that they're the only kind of DUI cases??

You're so worried about a guilty person ever getting away with it that you'd rather someone gets pulled over without cause, given a field sobriety and breathalyzer against the guidelines/legal conditions and then has to pay K to the city for having had a beer. That's exactly what you're saying.

You're unquestioning of the laws and their enforcement, now?? Never whine about blacks in this country again, dumbfuck.

You're either a world-class troll or your mind is broken. You process ideas so ignorantly. You're basically the guy on the jury who thinks "he must have done something or he wouldn't be sitting there", except only on one random issue??

Due process means that sometimes some assholes walk, and yeah, they're usually rich. It also protects people from this shit:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-22/news/ct-met-dui- cop-lawsuit-20120822_1_officer-richard-fiorito-dui-arrests-dui-cha rge

Let alone other false reports, mistakes, pulling people over for driving while black, etc. etc.

Fighting the process also provides pushback so they can't rewrite the laws to say that a BAC of .06 is illegal, then move it to .03, then .01, then .001 etc

mon666ster
SolRo, you're a ducking idiot. Calling people "republican shit" cuz they believe in due process. I'd explain the law, and the power imbalance between the state and the accused, but you wouldn't understand anyways.

One star cuz there's nothing evil or remarkable about this video at all.

That guy
*90-mph, not 0-mph

SolRo
mon, you're so fucking stupid and blinded by justice-seeking naiveté that you don't see how that rotting shit-pile 'that guy' isn't complaining about due process or justice.

He literally complained that DUI law is unfair and exists because states want to make money.

Not because 10,000 people die every year in car crashes involving alcohol.

But because those greedy BIG GUBMENT LIEBERALS want to steal our hard earned hooch money!

Fuck you, fuck that guy, fuck IZ for being entitled little pricks that think endangering everyone on the road should only be punished by a 0 ticket or something equally retarded, because you're superman and Michael Schumacher combined, and you can hold your liquor, and all cops are evil.

Must be nice to live the entitled life, where you're a perfect little snowflake that should be allowed to drive drunk and get off just by using your trust fund on a scumbag lawyer, like the above, to find loopholes and coach your act to get you off without charges, so you can just kill someone later in a crash.

infinite zest
@Solro that's why I said "luckily." Fact of the matter was, I was pissed, probably more pissed than her Lawyer, and not just because she totaled my car, and made us both a menace in our neighborhood where everybody knows each other. But, because, yeah, she was a pussy hair's chance away from taking a life at any given moment.

In my case, I'll admit that I was the pussy: we were leaving the bar, less than 30 blocks from home, and I told her that we were both too drunk to drive, that she should hand me the keys, and she told me to go fuck myself so I was like "fine. Drive then." That was a dumb thing to do, almost as if I was daring her NOT to get into an accident (we were also going through a divorce at this time so my mind wasn't entirely in the right space).

But police, like in my bike example, do take this and make it their leverage. Another time I was walking home from a bar and the adjacent motorcycle bar was leaving on their crotch rockets going well over 100 MPH and ignoring stop lights. A few seconds later I saw a large amount of smoke.. I went down and there was one of the cyclists with their brains splattered all over the concrete. The reason for this? A girl and her boyfriend had had a drink or two, obviously sober, and were pulling left into a McDonalds when one of the cyclists hit them. What I saw were a ton of drunk motorcyclists riding away from the bar, and witnesses saw was a girl with the right of way. But, she simply mentioned that she was AT the bar, and tested positive for something far under the legal limit and was charged with vehicular manslaughter. That's not fucking fair.

SolRo
Oh, and just to enlighten your idiotic asses;

most of the exceptional cases you're trying to paint as 100% of DUI arrests (poor people, poor black people, etc) cant afford a DUI lawyer to get them off. So you're literally defending a two tier justice system.

That guy
There's straight-ahead racism in the article I quoted, as well as other incidents.

Why do you say that I'm complaining ONLY about the govt wanting to make money, when I'm complaining about that mixed with 3-4 other issues?? Looking around at the worst abuses, trying to generate revenue and abusing power to do it is certainly one of the problems. You know fuck-all about what you're saying.

The solution to a 2-tier justice system, or a drunk-driving manslaughter epidemic is not "fuck due process".
Due process at least gives people a chance to counter other abuses.
I'd cite other problems and abuses related to DUIs, but you'd never listen anyway.

Why do you paint in such broad strokes when you're pissed?
I'm neither a republican nor a libertarian, nor have I gotten DUIs.

Why are you an embarrassment all the time? Get help.
Go back on your meds for fuck's sake.

Potrod
After a period of relative calm, SolRo is especially belligerent today so the meds advice doesn't seem far off. I feel like the "hope you get raped in prison" thing is played out even as a non-serious online joke statement.

baleen
Jeez it's gotten real dogpiley around here lately.

lotsmoreorcs
for baleen, as always

Miss Henson's 6th grade class
It's nice to see that Divine found something to do after that show business thing didn't work out.

lotsmoreorcs
wish i had saved my stars for you, also while these assholes were arguing over whether or not it's "bullshit" to get punished for driving drunk, you all let my "lord of the freaks" trailer rot to death in the hopper, a singular moment which could forever change the trajectory of things around here

That guy
neworcs, what a stupid generalization that is

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