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Desc:One dead, dozens injured (two more died from injuries)
Category:Crime, Horror
Tags:Protest, Ukraine, Neo-Nazis, Right Sector, Svaboda
Submitted:SolRo
Date:08/31/15
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SolRo
Sad thing is, the legislation that has these troglodyte skinheads so riled up will probably be rejected by the resistance fighters anyhow.

Because the plan is basically 'the east will have autonomy, unless this one unelected official (appointed by the central government) decides to overrule something'
Gmork
Russia needs a time-out. 100 years without electricity to put things back in perspective.
SolRo
I think you just picked a fight with a bunch of skinheads

EvilHomer
Yeah, Gmork, Russian skinheads don't take kindly to such slanderous mockeries.

SolRo
I set a troll snare after that comment, because I knew you wouldn't resist the bait.

Hazelnut
Five stars for SolRo finally conceding that the Ukrainian government is AGAINST its ultra-nationalist minority, and not some neo-nazi American stooge like Putin's propaganda would have it.
SolRo
That's what I did?

Btw, were you one of those idiots that said this attack never happened and was just Putins propaganda when reports of it started getting around?

Hazelnut
That's what the video you posted confirmed.

SolRo
See, only a complete moron would think Ukraine's ultra nationalist government is completely separate from it's neo-Nazi ultra-nationalists.

Do you also think the republican party has absolutely no ties with the tea party?

SolRo
Here's a perfect explanation for you;

"Several loud explosions were heard. The interior minister, Arsen Avakov, said that a military hand grenade had been thrown into the police line, at a confusing moment when the police were hurling tear-gas canisters in the other direction.

....

Avakov said police had detained a member of a right-wing paramilitary group, Sych, that is the militant arm of the Svoboda political party, one of the three parties that backed the Maidan street uprising against Yanukovych last year."

That's a Ukrainian politician admitting that the neo-nazis were/are part of the "glorious democratic revolution"


http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2015/09/01/Violent-protest-fo llows-vote-on-autonomy-for-Eastern-Ukraine---video

EvilHomer
SolRo, the video you just posted clearly shows that the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis are *against* the Ukrainian government. They're throwing "granades" at their own parliament building!!! Why would the police be cracking down on them, and they be rioting, if the Neo-Nazis controlled the Ukrainian government, as you have been alleging for months?

It beggars belief; how exactly does your mind get from "Neo-Nazis are a fringe group who chuck grenades at cops" to "Neo-Nazis are in power"? Are you just trolling, or do you genuinely believe the narrative you've been trying to sell, and have internalized Russian propaganda to the point where you're no longer capable of noticing the obvious?

EvilHomer
I'm with Hazelbutt on this. Five stars for you, good sir.

SolRo
The man they arrested for throwing the grenade is a Ukrainian fighter on leave from the front line.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/kiev-death-toll-rises-after-monday s-clashes-between-security-forces-protestors-1441113264

He's literally one of the neo-nazis the government praises for fighting 'the evil Russian hoard'

wtf japan
So I guess the US government endorses polygamy and jam bands because Father Yod was a decorated US marine.

To be fair to SolRo (not that he deserves it), the current Ukrainian government, in their stupidity and desperation, has totally gotten into bed with Neo-Nazis and is beginning to pay the piper. But neither the Ukrainian government nor the army are fascist--unlike, for example, Russia's government and army.

baleen
^Precisely.

Although I have to admire SolRo's locked in obsession with trying to repeatedly impress us with a particular contrived political theory so blatantly designed to distract us from his boner for Vladimir Putin.

SolRo
except for the part where they harass, intimidate, attack and kill people in opposition.

but keep ignoring that inconvenient fact.

SolRo
I mean, even your statement is stupid;

"Despite being violent neo-nazis, they aren't facists"

wtf japan
"except for the part where they harass, intimidate, attack and kill people in opposition."

Are you talking about the Russian government or the Ukrainian government in that first comment? Because I can't tell.

SolRo, do you not understand that a part is not the same as the whole, or that getting in to bed with someone doesn't cause you to actually become that person? I bet dinner is weird at your house.

SolRo
On of the first things the new Ukrainian government did was remove Russian as an officially recognized language in the country.

More recently they also banned several political parties from being able to participate in elections.

They sent military troops to suppress counter revolution protests in the east


But to your dumb ass, that's not fascist at all

mustard
From what I can find Russian is still an officially recognised minority language, just not a state language, and it has the same protections as other minority languages has, for whatever that is worth. Since this appears to be due to a 2012 law repealed it set the Russians language back to the status it had prior to the 2012 law passing. Repealing the law might have been unjust or undemocratic or what have you, but it is a return to what has been the case for the vast majority of the years since the fall off the USSR, not some grave and newfangled injustice.

wtf japan
Well, I suppose that would seem pretty fascist, since all of the things you mentioned are facile misrepresentations designed to portray the Ukrainian government as fascist.

The last one is actually funny, and I don't know how to respond to it.

The second one is true of nearly every country in Europe. It is also true of Russia.

With regard to the first, mustard's on the money: the recent (2012) law which made Russian a "minority language"--NOT an official language--was unconstitutional and undermined Ukraine's attempts at integration and nation building. It allowed Russian to be used in schools and public offices where as little as 10% of the population was Russian-speaking, which is absurd and privileges Russian above other minority languages that might comprise an even greater section of the population in certain areas.

In no way did the repeal of the 2012 law threaten the status of Russian as an actual minority language in use, as Russian is still explicitly protected by article 10 (1996) of Ukraine's constitution, which, incidentally, also specifies Ukrainian as the only state language. While I don't deny that it was probably a political maneuver on the part of the current government, I don't see how getting rid of bullshit, counterproductive legislation is fascism.

SolRo
Of course you never saw, or cared to look for, the videos of the Ukrainian army ramming through barricades setup by protestors in the east, the videos of them shooting at unarmed protestors, the videos of them opening fire on protestors occupying government buildings in the east.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0db_1399635819

(this one one of many, but they are hard to find again after so much time...google only likes to spit out videos of the poor neo-nazis at maidan)

None of the western media cared about that.

Only the democratic neo-Nazis in maidan mattered...even when those Nazis murdered 40 people in Odessa, that got dropped from the coverage really quickly.

SolRo
also go fuck yourself.

SolRo
Here's more video of the BMPs and trigger happy neo-nazis the fascists sent to suppress the early protests in the east

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=401_1399666441

again, go fuck yourself.

blue vein steel
SolRo, any of your arguments and criticisms of the Ukranian government can also be applied to Russia, except on a much greater scale. Putin openly courts ultra-nationalist groups, as well as tacit acceptance within the Russian government of allowing of ultra nationalist groups to act as para-military police forces in many areas of Russia. I'm a little confused about why you are so quick to defend Russia.

blue vein steel
also, i bet there is a good 7:1 ratio of videos of the Russian military murdering civilians, or just generally being dicks as apposed to the Ukrainian military. Oh yeah, and Russia did actually invade Ukraine. There are variable Russian military assets in Ukraine, some of which are very likely responsible for shooting down a civilian air liner. You seem to be avoiding that point. They can dress it up as protecting ethic Russians all they want, but the reality is, Russia just wanted it's major ship yards back. It's the same rank imperialism that you want to lambaste every western government for doing.

wtf japan
You didn't specifically refer to the Mariupol incident, which was terrible indeed, but clearly not a reflection of government or military policy. Ukraine is not a paragon of human rights, by any means, but incorrectly and irresponsibly labeling it fascist over and over again just trivializes the term. And that seems like the last thing a silly петух like yourself would want.

Unmerciful Crushing Force
Wtf_japan's Ukraine beard impresses me.

I was in Kyiv a couple months ago, and he's right on the money regarding the bed relations of actual neo-nazis and the Ukrainian government. The people are also somewhat complicit in it via the "enemy of my enemy" mentality. This is what has lead to shit like this and the recent clash Right Sector had with police over cigarette smuggling. I only hope that Ukraine can get out of that quagmire sooner than later but, for now, at least they're willing to resist invasion. EuroMaidan is also sad because, while it has become co-opted, it started so idealistically...

That said, to say that Russian is by any means frowned upon is absurd. While maybe it's different in, say, Lviv, I found most business and casual conversation was carried in Russian or, at least, a sort oof RussoUkranski mix. Had a friend who fled from Luhansk away from the conflict who related stories of violence against those who spoke Ukrainian or even showed the blue and yellow. On the flipside, they HAVE found difficulties in securing a home since they come from the East, despite being very vocal about their patriotism and knowing many who have and are gighting in the war.

Lovely country with amazing people. Fuck Putin.

SolRo
What a lovely bunch of cocksuckers.

So any sin of Russia's (even the exaggerated and falsified ones) justify the current military suppression campaign by ukrianian nationalists?

Do you retards, your mouths wreathed in anti-Russian news cum, ever even try to find sources for the semen you guzzle? ie "Russia invaded", "Russian military everywhere", "Watch out, there's a spetznaz behind you!". Because none of it has been concretely proven, and the vast majority has been shown to be either false or a complete fabrication. (ie, the "indisputable proof" pictures poroshenko brought to Washington to while he sucked dick on his knees, begging for weapons)



wtfjapan;

1) go fuck yourself

2) you're a real piece of shit to cherry pick which murder sprees by the Ukrainian nationalists "count", especially when those nationalists were ordered there by the government.

3) the government very quickly labeled the counter-protestors as "Terrorists" that needed to be suppressed or eliminated, and so the military was ordered to do just that. They could have sent police, but they chose to send fully armed ultranationalists in military vehicles.

4) again, you're a massive piece of shit, go choke on a horse dick.

blue vein steel
"What a lovely bunch of cocksuckers." " Because none of it has been concretely proven, and the vast majority has been shown to be either false or a complete fabrication. "

Buahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha
Yeah, i totally also believe RT's poorly Photoshopped pictures of a Mig shooting down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, and not the much more plausible story that Russian supplied S300 AA missiles manned by Russian backed separatist shot it down.

How about you go fuck yourself, and stop being a contrarian hipster drone who automatically attacks anything that Western countries do. You're a joke, and the Kool-Aid stains around your lips are very unbecoming.

Also, really? Cocksucking jokes? I figured you where above using gay panic as a comeback.

SolRo
Update;

The neo-Nazi Svaboda party blames the government for the grenade attack because they were provoked. I shit you not.

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/287229.html
baleen
You shit me not? I SHIT ON YOU

SolRo
You seem increasingly pissy.

has it been a couple months since you've gotten laid, again?

baleen
Enough yappin, round up some more news, boy!

SolRo
Oh, you're on one of your "PoETV should be this.." ideologue benders again.

Void 71
If these Ukrainian 'nationalists' were truly racist, why would they be against a consolidated slavic state? Ukrainian slavs who want their country to stay slavic would benefit from a merger with Russia since it would keep their country out of the 'internationalist' EU. These people appear to be anarchists on steroids, not racial fascists.

I'm not attacking Pootin' or Russia, by the way. As far as world leaders go, he's the best of a pathetic lot. He should be commended for dredging his country out of the worst economic depression the Western world had seen since Weimar-era Germany. Instead, our shabby political elites constantly criticize his social policies. That's what makes Cold War 2 such a lame sequel. We can't flaunt our economic prosperity anymore so we have to shift the discussion to frivolous touchy-feely stuff.
SolRo
No, the Ukrainian ultranationalists think they are their own separate race/people (though there is an ethnic minority indigenous to the region, the nationalist aren't related to them).

They also like emulating their Nazi collaborating ancestors/heroes, so they hate slavs, jews, etc.

Hazelnut
Wow, if you want an evening of Grade A Crazy try reading the "Talk:Ukrainian nationalism" page on Wikipedia.

SolRo
can you give a link? couldn't find a page with anything on it.

blue vein steel
@Void71 I think you're wildly confused about the current status of the US and Russian economies. You might want to reference the current GDP (actual, nominal (which is less than Italy's by the way) and per-capita) of the two countries. Also, the collapse in the oil market will only continue to depress their economy. Along with the ongoing myth of Russia's military resurgence (building a new aircraft carrier to go along with their current single 40 year-old 3/4 sized aircraft carrier is nice, they just need to build 8 more, along with another 10 over the next 20 years to match the US carrier fleet), the economy that Russia flaunts is a little less than what Putin wants the world to believe.

Unmerciful Crushing Force
The jew thing isn't that cut and dry.

For one, you have no end of "Judeo-Banderaists" who vocally support Azov, Aidar and Right Sector and they in turn work with them. There was a great story of the vocal Swedish (former) neo-nazi who went to fight in the name of Whiteness with Azov but found himself renouncing it after fighting with Jews and Chechnians that you can read here: http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/10/meet-the-former-neo-nazi-spoke sman-who-now-fights-for-freedom-in-ukraine/

SolRo
What a lovely little propaganda piece about a Nazi that found redemption by being a murderer.

SolRo
think you can find a piece where a GI Joe white supremacist finds that niggers aren't so bad while they killed an Iraqi family in the middle of the night?

blue vein steel
you're such a useful idiot SolRo, it's not even funny. I'm just gonna apply Poe's Law to everything you say from now on, and totally disregard it.

blue vein steel
>goes on and on about western imperialism and racism
>passionately defends Russian policy and expansionism

"Russia invaded", "Russian military everywhere"
You're right SolRo, I forgot Crimea was a part of Russia. Also Chechnea and Georgia too. Russia totally has a right to invade and impose their Godly authority over all of them. That isn't imperialism in any way, no sir.

Hazelnut
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ukrainian_nationalism

But really, just go to any Central or Eastern European Wiki page and check out the talk section. Lean cool stuff like Serbia was the REAL victor of WWI and WWII with a few other countries helping out a bit, the supposed link between the Hungarian and Finnish languages is a Habsburg plot to weaken Magyar solidarity, and that adding Jews to (or removing Jews from) the ethnicities list in the Crimean infobox is racism.
Hazelnut
Bluh, meant to reply to SolRo's request for link.

SolRo
Nice...I see there's some stooge constantly trying to downplay how ultranationalist right sector is, topped off with saying the only neo-nazis in it are Russians. (after constantly arguing that there are no neo-Nazis in it)

Konversekid
These fascists are supported by the Canadian state.
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