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Desc:All of which is explained by the plot. Seriously. Here she is giggling and frolicking in the rain.
Category:Video Games, Cartoons & Animation
Tags:Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear, mgsv
Submitted:TheOtherCapnS
Date:09/08/15
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TheOtherCapnS
If you make Snake sleep in a dumpster he starts to stink, and when you come back from a mission with this character, she invites you to shower with her. While the two of you are showering, there are a bunch of your soldiers standing around watching her and talking dirty to her. This happens, for real. This game is absolutely bonkers, and I fucking love it.

The best part is when people started to pitch a fit about the character, Kojima explained that he was trying to create a character that was "erotic." Obviously this made the people even more upset, and he was like "Sorry, I misspoke. I meant to say 'sexy.'" The man knows his audience, and gives zero fucks. Love it.
Nikon
It is a welcome character trait in creators.
"Oh, you don't like it? Too bad!"

Xenocide
If he gave zero fucks, he wouldn't have felt the need to plug in a ridiculous anime backstory for her to explain why she's silent and naked all the time. It feels more like he's super-embarrassed about the whole thing and wants to try and pass it off as art.

infinite zest
I've had this game for a week now and I've still not gotten past getting the horse to shit on me, punching it and making it go away in a weird parachute thing. If I ever complete this game, the world will have ended long before.

5 stars for what I assume is normal reaction to attractive females in video games. For MGS6 let's get some fat Snake in an eyepatch who refuses to take his shirt off when swimming and see how people react to that.

badideasinaction
Mowing down Russian soldiers from the support helicopter while "Kids in America" plays over the loudspeaker has made this into instant Game Of The Year for me.

infinite zest
Yeah.. for me it was Thomas Dolby She Blinded Me With Science while chasing down a sheep.. anyway it kinda sucks that this was (inevitably) a criticism, considering that MGS1 was probably the first game I remember to truly feature a female cast that was on par (if not better than) the male protagonist. Before you had Princess Toadstool in SMB2 (good for flying but weak) and Tomb Raider (you played it for the tits admit it) but MGS was a fully developed character who saved your ass a million times and could stick key cards in her vagina, and the other who was so much more badass than Snake you wished they just continued the series with her instead of Raven and whatnot.

EvilHomer
Kojima is a God amongst men, the like of whom comes around only once in a generation.

Gmork
The thumbnail looks like shit. This character inspires zero boners.

The outrage this inspires however, is worth five stars!
That guy
Define "zero boners".

Gmork
When the penis is flaccid instead of erect, because of terrible rain-effect shaders. This is taught in high-schools!

dairyqueenlatifah
The sheer amount of media butthurt and Tumblr tears Quiet spurred followed by Kojima's complete and utter indifference deserves a million stars.
Caminante Nocturno
I'd say that this character was designed to piss that kind of person off if anybody in Japan actually gave a shit about them.

Nikon
Despite all the wailing of SJW tumblrinas, the success of GTA5 and MGSV demonstrate that you don't need to please outrage addicts who aren't going to buy your games.

TeenerTot
I didn't hear/see any media "butthurt."

Xenocide
So your opinion on something is determined by whether or not feminists dislike it.

Way to not give them the power, fellas.

IrishWhiskey
It's not designed to piss people off, it's just pretty typical Japanese wank pandering. The only reason this gets more attention that tons of other 'panty shot orgasm transformation to beat tentacle monsters' Japanese depictions of women in games, is because Metal Gear is actually a pretty good game series that invites criticism and discussion.

And of course you don't need to please "SJW" critics to sell media, is this a new revelation? Transformers movies and Nikki Minaj are doing just fine. And Mad Max didn't have to please "MRA" critics to succeed either. But if Michael Bay says that Megan Fox has to strip and gyrate because of "plot related alien parasites", no one other than horny fanboys in denial are going to pretend it's something other than it is.

Sudan no1
2:02
mmm dat sexy tity physics

fedex
I think that's a nose...or a rib

FABIO
Am I crazy for thinking "dressing hot and giving no fucks" is more empowered than the Joss Whedon model of feminism where stoic violent killing machine = female ideal?
Bort
I don't know if you're crazy, but "dressing hot and giving no fucks" is kind of what Joss Whedon was reacting to; his reaction wasn't perfect, but at least he's trying to make his women more than mastur bait.

The best woman in all of moviedom remains the Maltese cop lady in the Joe Don Baker tour-de-force "Final Justice"; she's professional, dedicated, brave, principled, and seems to somehow have no sexual attraction to Joe Don Baker.

FABIO
Nope nope. I refuse to believe Joss Whedon was anything more than a submissive dom fetishist masquerading as feminist pandering. His history with women character was outright horrid.

Take a look at all the women characters in Firefly: whore, whore, thieving whore, autistic with the mind of a 10 year old, super autistic with the mind of a 2 year old, and domineering wife with Joss Whedon stand in husband. I can't remember a single thing the "companion" chick on the show did other than be constantly insulted by Val for being a dirty whore.

There is no way Whedon hasn't at some point paid for the services of a dominatrix. There is no way he didn't jerk off to it later by recreating the masturbation scene in Jarhead.

Bort
Your whoreometer may be a little miscalibrated, if you count that many whores on "Firefly". There are at least a couple women who are about as unapologetically sexual as male characters are allowed to be, but I wouldn't call them whores.

I'm having a weird insomniac bad-thinky-brain night, so I feel compelled to tell you that GE Bright Stik light bulbs are the first LED bulbs I've seen that are cheap (three for at Home Depot), and they do a good job. Plus the shape is designed to make it easier to insert into / remove from the ass.

Caminante Nocturno
Firefly was a ripoff of Outlaw Star and Joss Whedon is severely overrated.

Bort
Whedon is a step in the right direction, feminism-wise, but not the complete solution.

And "Avengers" was pretty damn awesome. Dude knows how to throw a party.

baleen
I wish he-man came with muscles smaller than normal he-man muscles. I am not violent nor do I like big muscles, and it makes me sad.

FABIO
Firefly whores:

-Literal whore on ship

-Literal whore brothel owner, an entire house of whores!

-Woman who plied a living seducing men so she could lure them into the most ridiculously convoluted scheme to steer their ship into a "kill everyone on board" electricity ring. You could argue that's not the literal definition of a whore. You could even argue that that alone isn't a damning view on women, but in context with all his other women characters...

Whedon only ever has 3 kinds of women characters: scorn worthy whores, autistics, and violent emotionless killing machines, and not even interesting ones. I'm not sure how you can hail that as a step in the right direction. Compared to what came before? That's a very flawed memory of pre-90s cinema, and a very selective one after. The Alien and Terminator franchises alone is proof enough that Whedon was a step backwards. Whedon, like a lot of people, took away nothing from Ripley or Connor's character but "asskicker" and ever since we've had a plague of zero-dimensional characters.

That guy
Whedon fans suck.
Is that what we're talking about? How badly his fans suck??

Bort
I won't deny that "Alien" got it right (I didn't see enough "Terminator" movies to speak to them). The original "Alien" script had an androgynous crew well into development, so when it was decided to give them genders late in the game, by great coincidence the women were written as well as the men.

And of course, Maria from "Final Justice".

But yeah, while Whedon wimmens tend to have a lot in common, those commonalities aren't too bad: they aren't usually JUST asskickers, they are also capable of sustaining relationships of various kinds with both men and women (whereas the old standard really was for women to fall in love with the lead and that's that). To be sure they aren't shrinking flowers who need a man to lead them. There is also very often the theme of sacrifice for their man, but that's another matter.

Mind you, I'm not arguing that Whedon got everything right. But he does women more reliably better than most men-folk out there, and his form of snappy banter was a breath of fresh air when it hit (but as with everything else, after a while it gets repetitive). And holy hell is he good at sneaking plot points into a script so that you don't even realize he's setting things up (a small example: in "Avengers" when Tony is talking with Bruce, and taps the ARC reactor that sits on top of his heart -- which is really a setup for when Loki confronts Tony).

The next step, I think, is to get more women writing women. Not that Whedon has reached the peak of what men are capable of, but he has helped to put things to a point where we expect more of writers, and who better to meet expectations about women than women?

Nikon
Can confirm that Firefly is a watered down clone of Outlaw Star with some action sequences cribbed from Cowboy Bebop.

TeenerTot
"Dressing hot" for whom? Wearing a bikini into battle doesn't serve _her_ character at all. It only serves the dudes looking at her.

Generally, it's an interesting experiment to try this:
Imagine a male character wore/did the same thing, what would your reaction be?

Old_Zircon
I've never understood the whole "Joss Whedon creates strong female characters" line, there isn't a single Joss Whedon vehicle I've seen where it wasn't completely transparent that he writes female characters that he wants to fuck. He just happens to like his fantasy sex objects to be a bit more tough and self assured than is usual for American TV but honestly his stuff is about as empowering as a mid period Russ Meyer movie. Shit, at least the women in Faster Pussycat don't need a man to teach them how to do what they do.

Caminante Nocturno
That's not an interesting experiment, it's just a stupid question.

Old_Zircon
Whedon's just like Lucas, his only really good film (as a director) is the one the studio "butchered" in editing.

Also his characters don't develop at all. When they change it's closer to learning a new spell in Zelda II or something. Firefly was slightly better in this regard but only superficially, the characters evolved in completely predictable ways that were entirely in line with their stupid archetypes. There's just nothing even vaguely challenging about his work which would e OK except that when you're watching it not a moment goes by when you can't tell he thinks he's writing Moby Dick.

Oscar Wildcat
@Teenertot: Trust me when I say this: if you looked like this, and needed to go into close quarters battle, I could think of no more effective and lethal way to do it than dressing exactly as shown. Ideally, no clothes at all, but you need some kind of weapon so there is that.

Men are completely mentally disarmed by that kind of presentation: especially the kind of guys you'd likely encounter in a warzone. That few seconds of shock is all you'd needs to mow them down like grass on the field.

Gmork
Outlaw Star is garbage.

IrishWhiskey
All women on TV are whores if they seem attractive (the creator wants to fuck them!) or have normal sexual interests (Had sex? Whore!). Non-sexual characters don't count because they are 'autistic', and competent, happily married, non-sexualized, well-rounded one's don't count because... um... uh... Zoe's in charge sometimes, and therefore like a dominatrix, and the creator probably fucks dominatrixes, so it's not feminist!

It sounds like the two of you don't know any Joss Whedon shows other than Firefly and are just projecting all your own issues with feminism onto him. I mean Dollhouse would be a far more valid target for criticism. But even if you only watched the shortened first season of Firefly and nothing else he made, saying his characters never develop is painfully ignorant. He's far from perfect and the 'feminism' mostly just comes from avoiding some of the usual tropes but not others, but going to the opposite extreme of calling it all wank fulfillment is even worse.

That guy
See what I mean?

Kid Fenris
Outlaw Star is fun. Mostly. I remember one or two crap episodes, but that's to be expected.

SolRo
Joss whedon never copied that one episode of outlaw star that never aired on American television l.

Nominal
But how does Outlaw Star compare to Myth the video game?

Nominal
The Firefly/Outlaw Star connection runs dry after "stolen autistic girl secret weapon". Not a single other character was analogous.

Two Jar Slave
Wait. How is "dressing hot and giving no fucks" DIFFERENT from Whedon's "stoic violent killing machines"?

Maru
i like how Kojima's only concession to gamer feminism was to make the new love interest a butterface

Bort
The water droplets on the lens. Usually when I see that in a movie it pulls me right out, but somehow they make this more "realistic" to me.
FABIO
I could never stand that. It's something to be avoided in movies but sometimes can't because there's no getting around having a physical camera lens. There is no limitation in a video game and shows what a clueless "I'M A MOVIE DIRECTOR!" dork the game makers were.

Only thing worse than water lens splash is strawberry jam for blood lens splash.

fluffy
Don't forget lens flares. Good cinematographers tried to AVOID that, but games put it fucking EVERYWHERE. Even when you're supposed to be getting a first-person POV through someone'e eyes, which do not have compound lenses.

Caminante Nocturno
Wet boots floating in the air as she turns invisible and walks away.
TheOtherCapnS
Leave the torn up leggings. Take the wet boots.

Lef
I am all for masturbating to math equations. It gets kids into science.

I want this game badly but not sure my laptop can manage it.
15th
Just put a towel over the keyboard.

Simillion
dem muscle groups
Meerkat
Holy shit that's fucking over the top hilarious. Almost as hot as that scene in the Matrix where they're rolling around all naked except for all the port hole stoma things all over their bodies.

Hott.
TeenerTot
Heh, I remember actually looking away and covering my eyes during that scene.

fedex
is that in the first Matrix?

TeenerTot
The "rave" scene from...the second one? I think?

John Holmes Motherfucker
Well, I guess all that hysteria about Anita Sarkeesian's power to influence gaming with talky youtube videos turned out to be completely warranted, and by no means an overreaction.

I don't know what they're doing on tumblr, or even exactly what tumblr is. But I didn't find a lot of feminist fucks given when i searched this topic in Google. I'm sure someone somewhere is raging about this, because there's always someone raging SOMEWHERE, right?
TheOtherCapnS
If it hadn't been for Sarks, Quiet's tits were supposed to be eight whole cup sizes bigger, and her top was gonna be see-through. Also, the only way to keep her on your side was to repeatedly head-shot her with tranquilizer darts (which originally were modeled with extremely accurate models of Hideo Kojima's erect penis). Then once she went to sleep, you had to "repeatedly press X" if you know what I'm sayin...

Thanks for diluting a genius's vision. Fucking cunt.

Sudan no1
I'm starting to feel sorry for these guys, every time they look at video game tits their first thoughts are "grrr fukken tumblr feminists!"

I mean, I don't think about MRAs when I look at big dicks (kek)

TheOtherCapnS
Take my work for it, Sudan: No one in the entire world thinks about MRAs when they are looking at big dicks.

John Holmes Motherfucker
Capn: Jokes about dick size are inherently sexist, which is why I feel like a terrible person for giving you all my stars.

Nominal
That's quite the projecting thing to say considering you guys (yes, specifically you three) are always seeing MRAs in your alphabet soup and every other video on this site.

Until another comment tops it for sheer ridiculousness, I will never stop referencing the "Shielding your face from a basketball clearly indicates MRA sign" incident.

It's hard to believe you're not just in it for the self-satisfying contempt boners when the people who say they're sick of MRAs are the only ones who ever mention them. Nay, are incapable of shutting up about them.

That is also a pretty telling comment to say that pandering bikinis in a video game is proof that Anita's influence isn't that great. Sooooooo....you're saying that crowd (who you agree with) would ban it if they (you) had the power to do so?

John Holmes Motherfucker
>>>That is also a pretty telling comment to say that pandering bikinis in a video game is proof that Anita's influence isn't that great. Sooooooo....you're saying that crowd (who you agree with) would ban it if they (you) had the power to do so?

Hey, guys! It's Nominal! Nominal's here, and he's posting bullshit! YAY Nominal!

Like I've said about 150 times in here, I have no opinion about Anita Sarkeesian's videos, whether she's right or wrong, since I don't usually watch her videos, and I don't play video games. Ethically, she seems to have more on the ball than her detractors, but that's not what you'd call setting the bar real high. I don't think she's lying about games, but If she's lying about games, I don't much care, since I can prove that her detractors (especially Thunderf00t) have lied about HER. Non-sociopaths understand that slandering a person is infinitely more egregious than slandering someone's hobby.

All of my criticism is directed at the way someone, usually a woman, is subject to threats, harassments, and character assassination for expressing an unpopular opinion. It that crazy bitch from the heritage foundation whom the gators love so much was attacked like Anita Sarkeesian had been attacked just for making some videos, I'd support that crazy bitch from the heritage foundation. I'm not much into games, but I'm very much into the internet not being horrible.

What I've always said is that Anita isn't going to take away your toys. I don't think she wants to, and if she did I would not support her on that issue, but we don't need to look real deep into that question, since she can't. So the bottom line is she won't. And she hasn't.

Sudan no1
I was just using MRAs as a stand-in for genderflipped "tumblr feminists", sorry you took it so personally Nominal.

TheOtherCapnS
Honestly, I'm just stoked about this "specifically you three" thing. I feel like I'm in some kind of cool Internet gang. Can the three of us be best friends now?

John Holmes Motherfucker
Let's recap. Before We got down to this part of the thread, no one mentioned MRAs, but 7 variations on feminism, nearly all of them derisive, appeared. When I posted, I didn't mention MRAs, i did mention "feminism"

Sudan replied. He used "feminists", no MRA reference.

Finally, Capns mentioned MRAs in connection with his dick joke.

So before anyone mentioned MRAsw on this page, feminists were mentioned 9 times,

15th
This is art.
Cube
That jump was almost straight out of The Other Guys.
Juice Eggs McKenna
I guess the rain washed the blood off Snake's face too
garcet71283
9:07. Breast physics perfected!

snothouse
There's nothing like a board full of internet loving men debating what feminism is.
chumbucket
Buzz creator!!!
John Holmes Motherfucker
>>t's hard to believe you're not just in it for the self-satisfying contempt boners when the people who say they're sick of MRAs are the only ones who ever mention them. Nay, are incapable of shutting up about them.

I don't remember ever actually SAYING that I was sick of MRAs, but I guess that if I ever did, that would be pretty ironic, huh?

MRAs don't talk about MRAs. They talk about FEMINISTS... all the livelong day. Actually, i enjoy that.
Bort
All this talk of MRAs confuses me because my brain insists on auto-correcting it to MREs, every single time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meal,_Ready-to-Eat

People are sick of MREs, feminists and MREs are staunch enemies, it never makes any sense to me without deliberate effort.

EvilHomer
>> MRAs don't talk about MRAs. They talk about FEMINISTS... all the livelong day.

You know, John, it's funny you should mention that, because the only person I ever hear talking about MRAs is you. All the livelong day, even!

Maybe you guys should switch places? The MRAs could talk MRAs, and you could talk about, I dunno, whatever it is you believe MRAs talk about.


>> All this talk of MRAs confuses me because my brain insists on auto-correcting it to MREs, every single time.

Awww yeah, MREs! So delicious. Thank you Bort, I think I shall doing this as well.

John Holmes Motherfucker
>>You know, John, it's funny you should mention that, because the only person I ever hear talking about MRAs is you. All the livelong day, even!

Homer, please don't go full Nominal on me, okay?

Sexy Duck Cop
so she just jumped out of the helicopter then
betamaxed
In this game I got a horse to poop on me while "Take on me" plays on your portable cassette player. Then I air lifted a bear into space. GOTY for all years.
Two Jar Slave
OK that sounds fun

Two Jar Slave
I remember playing MGS1 back in my teens, and there's a part where the game appears to glitch out and show an error message on the TV, because you're fighting a psychic or something. And I remember liking it for about a second before realising how needy and showy it all was. What really killed it was that the "error message" just said 'Hideo'. Stupid. The game's designer interrupted the game with a cheesy gimmick, just to make me look at his name. There's no medium where that's a classy or interesting move. Imagine a Spielberg character breaking the fourth wall just to say "Spielberg made this adventure movie." So I pegged Hideo Kojima as a wanky rich kid who can get poor kids to listen to him talk because he has a fast car, and based on what I've seen I've never felt the need to update that impression.

(Sorry if you're someone who likes MSG. I'm sure there are lots of talented people working on making great action mechanics and whatnot.)

So I know feminism is a button topic on this site and everything, but come on. This shlocky perv is your hero, just for acting like a shlocky perv? Why?
TheOtherCapnS
The Psycho Mantis fight was constantly breaking the fourth wall. He would tell you to put your controller down, then "move" it by making it rumble. He would reference other games you had played by reading what other saves were on your memory card. The game would get less responsive, and you could fix it by unplugging the controller and plugging it into the 2 player slot, which he dropped hints about during the fight. The whole thing was supposed to be him taking over your system.

When it showed HIDEO, it was supposed to be mimicking your TV changing channels on it's own or like someone was behind you with the remote fucking with you, not an "error message". TV's in those days would often have numbered channels, along with a 'VIDEO-1' 'INPUT-2' etc. Since his name was one letter away from video, it was a little wink or clue that the whole thing was fake. The whole sequence is pretty highly regarded among gamers as being interesting and innovative, even to this day. At least among those folks who figured out what was going on or read about it later.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about your opinion of him, even though it seems to be fairly inaccurate. I've always liked him because he makes fun games, going all the way back to the original Metal Fear. His stories have gotten more and more ridiculous as the series wears on, and he panders to pervy gamers with sexist stuff. I like him in spite of those things, not because of them.

Two Jar Slave
Every medium has to go through its metafiction phase, I guess. Videogames seem late to the party, even in 1999, but I can't fault a brand new medium for that. Glad you enjoy the MGS series, even if you seem aware that the dialogue and plot are the storytelling equivalent of shovelware.

Is it the gameplay mechanics that you like "in spite of those things"? I'm not a big action/stealth gamer, so I don't really get the appeal, but if that's a genre that works for you then I'd be curious to know how MGS compares in quality to, say, the Hitman, Thief, Assassins Creed, or Splinter Cell series. If MGS is a cut above those franchises in stealth mechanics then I could understand the acclaim it gets. To me, all those series "feel" the same once I get through the cutscenes: a lot of holding CRTL to crouch, following patrolmen, then tapping them on the shoulder to death. (With the exception of the early Hitman games, which were bordering on a strategy game with the complicated open-environment "hits".)

I dunno. I'm sort of talking out of my ass, and I'm tired. I apologize for starting shit about a series you like, and especially for using an example of a scene you and others hold in esteem. It was memorable to me for different reasons.

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