|poorwill - 2015-09-27 |
The replacement will be worse.
the guy before him was literally a child molester
|Raggamuffin - 2015-09-27 |
|Old_Zircon - 2015-09-27 |
Looks like this Boehner... has gone soft.
|TeenerTot - 2015-09-27 |
Boehner resigns "for the good of the institution." Which institution? Congress, or the Republican party?
He thinks it will be better for the House to have an even more conservative, combative Speaker? Or it's good for the party? How?
I really don't understand his reasoning.
I must admit I was touched by his papal weepitude. He actually has a heart. It's misplaced and two sizes too small, but it's there.
He's being forced out. What's key is when he chose to step down (October - after the threatened government shutdown). The going theory is that he's trying to avoid the shutdown.
“I will say the early reports are discouraging if it is correct that the speaker, before he resigns, has cut a deal with Nancy Pelosi to fund the Obama administration for the rest of the tenure,” Cruz said, although he declined to specify where he had heard this report.
He then said, according to the mystery report, the alleged deal cut by Boehner and Pelosi would “fund Obamacare, to fund executive amnesty, to fund Planned Parenthood, to fund implementation of this Iran Deal.”
Cruz sounded disgusted. “Then presumably to land a cushy K Street job after joining with the Democrats to implement all of President Obama’s priorities. That is not the behavior one would expect of a Republican Speaker of the House.”
Sexy Duck Cop
All of the above.
For the good of the party because the Tea Party wing hated his guts for "backing down" (read: Not blowing up the government every time Tea Partiers don't get their way) and was threatening a recall vote. While Boehner theoretically could've stayed on board, he would have had to grovel in front of the Democrats for their support. And even if he remained Speaker, he could never reconcile the establishment and Tea Party wings of his party.
For the good of the country because Boehner, knowing he only has a month left, can shove a "clean" spending bill and avert a sixth goddamned government shutdown battle over something trivial.
You have to understand that the damage Tea Party brand is inflicting on the GOP isn't just a string of isolated incidents, but a deep, structural fissure in the party. They're not just a handful of crazies that could be voted out next cycle. They're a deep, malignant form of gangrene that's eating away at electoral muscle by alienating virtually every demographic beyond angry old white people.
I doubt he did anything for the good of anyone other than himself.
This is a CEO "resigning" because he would be fired otherwise. And just like a resigning CEO he gets to write the public narrative as being such a great person for the last seconds of his term while trying to cover up the years of pure shit.
So you think he's just a selfless small-town everyman that came to Washington to help the country but was beat down by the establishment, or something?
Sexy Duck Cop
Christ, you can't even get your reductive cliches right. He WAS the establishment. And he actually had a pretty cordial relationship with Obama in private. But Boehner fucking hated his job and frequently called himself a "garbage man" in the sense that he had to (unsuccessfully) reconcile the Tea Partiers with the establishment wing, while getting repeatedly crucified by hard-right conservatives for compromising with Obama over the nonstop government shutdowns and fiscal cliff. Boehner's entire tenure was a lose-lose: Liberals hated him for logjamming Obama's agenda, but conservatives hated him for being too receptive to Obama's agenda. The only thing he accomplished in 25 years was NOT singlehandedly causing the complete collapse of the United States' credit score.
Trying to explain politics to you is like teaching a dog to play backgammon.
You're both idiots.
Boehner has been a republican shitheel for a 25 years and as soon as he resigns you start tripping over yourself to find some tiny good points out of all of that stupidity.
"A-bloo-bloo-bloo but-but he was cordial to Obama in private!!!"
While being a massive prick in public that pandered to the politics of division and extremism.
|Binro the Heretic - 2015-09-27 |
We can likely expect a lot of Republicans to start bowing out. Their voter base is shrinking. Public opinion has turned against their policies. The smart ones know the tide is changing and no amount of pandering, dog-whistling, district-rigging or new voting regulations will keep them in power.
They'd rather pretend to be martyrs and leave under their own steam than be pushed out by progress.
Sexy Duck Cop
No no no, let them split the ticket. So long as there's over a dozen people competing in the primaries, the GOP will be completely rudderless, rich assholes will throw away tons of money trying to buy the election, and whoever winds up on top will be battered and bruised far worse than Romney in 2012.
And in a sane world, there are a few legitimate contenders onstage, but hilariously, primary voters couldn't care less about them. On paper, Kaisich is moderate, popular in his crucial state of Ohio, tolerant of LGBT people, and has execute experience. But he hasn't accused Obama of genocide, so he's out.
Rubio is scary because he's handsome, young, charming, and Latino, which would make him an excellent foil to Hillary, since he could rewrite the narrative and make Democrats look backwards and institutionalized. But, unless the establishment pumps money into his campaign nonstop throughout Trumpomania, his dismal polling and sympathy with immigrants keeps him from gaining any traction.
Jeb Bush could neutralize Hillary's "move forward" angle by angling the election as a choice between two songs we've heard before. This would harm him too, of course, but it would rob the first legitimate female presidential candidate of her freshness.
But no. Donald Trump will continue to be a wrecking ball throughout the primaries, wasting everyone's precious time, money, resources, and patience just by trolling the party. The coiffers of rich donors will be largely depleted, whoever emerges will have limped across the finish line with a wounded campaign in complete disarray, while Hillary is sipping margaritas at Dave and Busters because you're a goddamned fool if you think Bernie has a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything.
Also going to laugh in your face if bernie wins.
I just hope Bernie doesn't go full retard and run as an independent if he doesn't win the primary
I don't think Bernie would do that. He strikes me as the pragmatic sort, who would bow out to prevent a president Trump from happening.
|jangbones - 2015-09-27 |
with this, the Republican party is now closer to a real, permanent split then it's ever been
of course, a split would be disastrous for them, and a lot of smart, moneyed people are working hard to prevent it, and could succeed
but its possible that there is no reconciling the establishment and the tea party ever
it's really funny, cos they had a real good partnership going - the totally amoral billionaires manipulated their nutty base, and the nutty base got manipulated. as a union it made very little sense, which is why it was so precious and important for the party to preserve. then they had to ruin the whole thing by actually giving the nuts what they wanted. oh well.
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