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baleen - 2015-10-17
Saw this earlier this week. So excited.
Old_Zircon - 2015-10-17
This could be pretty great.
infinite zest - 2015-10-17
It looks great. I was talking to a friend recently about Netflix and shows in general and she said that Mr Show didn't really hold up over time for her. We kinda agreed to disagree on that one, but then this magically appeared.

In the DVD commentaries, among other things, were a whole bunch of sketch ideas, or things they would've redone if HBO hadn't been so shitty to them and tried to make their show something it wasn't, and of course cancelled it.

It could, however, wind up like Wet Hot AmericanSummer which honestly was funny but pretty much like "hey look at us we're famous now returning to our roots" sort of pandering.. But then again WHAS is the movie I would put in that "test of time" category. Not that funny then, or now, but gained a cult following anyway I'll shut up now and watch the shit out of it.

Two Jar Slave - 2015-10-17
I didn't really "get" WHAS. A stoner friend of my got me stoned and made me watch it, and I tried to like it but was just bored. I was honestly amazed to see that it has a cult following and a TV show, etc. Who knew?

infinite zest - 2015-10-17
The TV show is worth at least checking out, even if you didn't like the movie but liked The State and Stella and other David Wain stuff, which personally I do.

Old_Zircon - 2015-10-17
WHAS took a long time to grow on me. Show is OK but not great. The movie felt like everyone was having a really good time, and it's a good ensemble cast. Most of that chemistry isn't there for the show (although Niles is still great). The other thing is that in the movie the whole "actors in their late 20s playing teenagers" thing was completely appropriate for the genre they were parodying, but "actors in their late 40s pretending to be actors in their late 20s pretending to be teenagers" thing just felt weird and awkward a lot of the time.

infinite zest - 2015-10-17
Yeah it's surprising to see how some of them, like Rudd, don't seem to have aged a bit since then, but it's pretty obvious with Michael Showalter, so the whole "prequel" thing doesn't make a lot of sense. Like, I know the script was in the can (heh) for years and probably finished, but you could easily rewrite it to be the first day of camp the next year and have flashbacks to explain the can and the nuclear waste and stuff and make it look like the actors have grown up, but then that's the charm of David Wain. He makes us analyze things about talking cans of vegetables, probably too deeply.

TeenerTot - 2015-10-17
Oh do I finally get a good reason to keep my Netflix account?
infinite zest - 2015-10-17
I heard Narcos is really good, but all I seem to be using mine for is falling asleep to Trailer Park Boys episodes I've seen a million times already. Then again my ex housemate's ex girlfriend's dad is paying for it, so I can't complain..

Old_Zircon - 2015-10-17
I'm not ashamed to admit that I thoroughly enjoyed Bojack Horseman.

EvilHomer - 2015-10-17
Your informant was correct; Narcos IS really good! Check it out.

EvilHomer - 2015-10-17
I was on a Netflix hiatus for a couple months, but a friend of mine recommended I watch that Denis Leary fireman show, so lately I've been watching that one.

I am a little surprised, but not TOO surprised, about how much gnostic/Illuminati subtext there is in Mr Leary's show.

infinite zest - 2015-10-17
Bojack s2 was really good, yeah. Funny how it's been cartoons like BH and Rick and Morty that have given me my fill of existential dread lately.

infinite zest - 2015-10-17
I've also heard good things about Rescue Me, but I can't get over the Leary part. It's one thing to tell somebody else's joke, but telling it after they're dead is really shitty.

ashtar. - 2015-10-18
No, all that shit is more convenient and easier to pirate than to go watch through netflix even if you have an account.

EvilHomer - 2015-10-18
Master Ashtar - I'm as pro-piracy as anyone, but Netflix is more convenient.

IZ - Mr Leary was stealing jokes? I had not heard. The show is good, but it is not as funny as I'd expected, given Mr Leary's involvement. Don't get me wrong, there are some very funny bits, but by the second season it turns into a dark, depressing man-soap. Some parts are genuinely difficult to watch - a few domestic abuse scenes, for example. Woman-battering is subject matter that I can usually laugh at, but well, let's just say that Mr Leary knows how to make it *incredibly* unsettling.

I'd recommend Narcos over Rescue Me, as Narcos is shorter, tighter, and more exciting (I was going to make a Dance Moms joke here, but I decided that would be in very poor taste); give the first couple eps of RM a try if you're bored, but only after you're done with Mr Escobar Goes to Bogota!

infinite zest - 2015-10-18
Yeah Leary's routine was pretty much the same as the then-alive Bill Hicks' material. And they were good friends on the comedy circuit. It's not the same as Brian Harrod just cutting and pasting, but it's like if I started watching Rescue Me and I also noticed illuminati subtext you'd be like "hey I said that too!" If I was just some random person who made the same observation, maybe no big deal, but if you knew who I was and the webites I visited, you'd be (hopefully) pissed, especially if I found fame and fortune for my observation, like nobody had ever thought about that before me kind of thing.

Joke appropriation happens in the comedy world just like it does anywhere: every comedian has an airplane joke of sorts, a hotel joke, and since Leary and HIcks both smoked like chimneys a smoking on airplanes or in hotels kind of joke. But the same observation about the same health nut who collapsed of a heart attack vs. the health dangers of smoking? It was things like that, which happened a lot, that pissed Hicks off, and Leary never came forward to address the accusations, but continued with his routine after Hicks died.

EvilHomer - 2015-10-18
Oh, I wouldn't mind if you used my material! And at any rate, the Illuminati subtext is pretty hard to miss - there's an entire episode devoted to Dan Brown-style gnosticism, with Jesus and his partygirl wife, Mary Magdalene, appearing in visions, imparting secret knowledge unto Denis Leary about the path of self-godhood.

I'd be really interested to see what material Mr Leary lifted from Bill Hicks; if you can find any videos on the subject, please submit one!

infinite zest - 2015-10-18
Ooh I think I like Narcos. I thought it was about a fictional person like Tony Montana or Walter White and not actually about Escobar. I don't really like the Scorcese-esque narration over the top though, complete with stills.. in that way it kind of reminds me of how Boondock Saints kind of aped Tarantino's style when it would've been a good movie just for what it was..

But speaking of aping around, I think it's Hicks' album Lock and Load and No Cure For Cancer respectively that presents the most obvious evidence. But besides the Jim Fix joke, or "why are we talking about John Lennon's assassination in 1992 joke" joke, another good one is cigarette labels saying more specific things and how smokers would still smoke so they should just change the labeling to reflect that, since Hicks hated marketing but loved smokes. So Hicks' was "low birth weight sticks" and Leary's was "tumor sticks.." in either case you'd smoke them. Things like that.

infinite zest - 2015-10-18
Or, you can just hear it from a fellow DMT enthusiast who also shares my first name.. :)


infinite zest - 2015-10-18
Also Louis CK says that he ripped off his entire bit about being proud to be an Asshole, and turned it into an MTV anthem, but I don't know if there's any evidence of CK doing it first. Maybe it's just Marlowe and Shakespeare or Scarlatti and Mozart for the stand-up comedy crowd, but it's fun to think about.

jangbones - 2015-10-17
My body is ready.
Two Jar Slave - 2015-10-17
Very excited!!
StanleyPain - 2015-10-17
The down side? Its only 4 half hour episodes.
infinite zest - 2015-10-17
Aw man.. Wikipedia says 5 but still aw man..

I guess they have other things to do like get nominated for Emmys and such, but it's kinda sad that nothing else the secondary cast has gone on to do has been that good compared to whatever they put in the water in the mr show writing room.

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