Edrogan now suddenly regrets shooting down the jet
on the other hand, after fucking up Ukraine, it's nice to see russia get slapped and be unable to do anything about it but raise this giant metal penis truck.
Technically America fucked up Ukraine, Russia just tried to protect its interests and people there
Naval base, nuclear silos, other military outposts.
oh so military interests to prop up their totally legit corrupt kleptocracy cool
You're a god damned idiot if you think the American politicians that went over to support those neo-nazis gave even one shit about corruption.
And surprisingly, the neo-fascists oligarchs that got put into power are just as corrupt, if not more so, as the old guys.
Technically America fucked up Czechoslovakia, Germany just tried to protect its interests and people there.
Oh yes, the hitler idolizing neo-nazis are the good guys, but it's the Russians who are just like nazi Germany.
How can you be so stupid?
No one said Ukrainians or Americans were good guys.
You're just like the Zionists and right-wing Israelis you get so worked up about, you know. You just make excuses for Russia instead of Israel.
You -are- implying that americans/fascist ukranians are the good guys while Russians are exactly like Nazi germans.
What was Russia supposed to do? Stand back and do nothing while America did its Ukraine geo-political engineering attempt number 2 on a country on its border? Just stand back and let the neo-nazis murder or subjugate anyone that isn't "Ukrainian" enough?
Yep, that's what Russia's state media says, so it has to be completely 100% true.
That's what video of the events as they happened says.
But keep on being a dumb fuck.
Show me how suggesting Russia is shitty automatically makes America or Ukraine good guys. I fail to understand.
I'm not really suggesting much here except that SolRo has a rather narrow view on global events, especially with things that involve the motherland. And we're making grand generalizations on extremely complicated events.
To me, Putin's Russia wants to be a modern day Athens and he needs a Sparta, the US, and any chance he can embarrass the US, he'll take it, and in any moment the US acts weak internationally, he'll exploit it.
There's probably a lot of things that he has experienced since the fall of the Soviet Union that frames his antagonism to the West: American arrogance and the whole 'we won the cold war' thing; the disintegration and splitting off of various soviet satellites, Chechnya, the encroachment of NATO on Russia's own 'back yard'.
Ultimately, Putin think's the playing the best with the hand that he has been dealt, but I think he has only weakened Russia, and has destabilized the eastern European region for rather self-interested reasons.
A lot of people think he's playing recent events cool as a cucumber but to me it looks like he's trying to cling on to what little international power his Russia has left. With Syria on fire, Iran making a deal with the west, Ukraine trying to go EU and maybe even NATO one day, Russia is on the defense, they stand to lose a lot.
Actually before American interests riled up a bunch of nazi skinheads to overthrow the elected government, Russia's evil plan to keep Ukraine from going to the EU was to give it a big financial bailout vs the EU plan of a world bank loan, massive austerity cuts and selling off state owned businesses.
This plan was so evil that America just couldn't stand by and watch innocent international looters lose their chance at massive profits while useless Slavic dregs got to keep their jobs or pensions
Maybe one day 'military exercises' will just be a euphemism for opposing countries to put out dueling youtube videos of military technology with awesome background music.
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Erdogan and Putin are very similar in their political methodologies, and I hope they continue to antagonize and emasculate each other.
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