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That guy - 2015-12-24
^ so as to not disappoint your expectation
That guy - 2015-12-24
also, who the fuck has a saxophone and hates jazz?
you're doing it wrong

I conclude that you were a bando. A bando who now hates jazz.
Good lord.


Cena_mark - 2015-12-24
No, I wasn't in band. The very first instrument I learned was a drum machine. The saxophone was from when my grandmother was in highschool. It's a Vito from sometime in the 30s or 40s, I ended up hanging on to it since I became a collector of musical instruments.

EvilHomer - 2015-12-24
How can you say Cena hates jazz? Did you not *just hear him* play an exquisite free jazz improv inspired by John Coltrane?!

Clearly, with all his hippin' and his hoppin' and his bippin' and his boppin', That guy doesn't know what The Jazz is all about.

infinite zest - 2015-12-24
I liked this. I was a bassoonist but always wanted to be in the jazz band. :)

Cena_mark - 2015-12-24
Jazz for band nerds is like Libertarianism for young Republicans. Sure Jazz/Libertarianism might seem hipper and edgier than Sousa marches or being a Republican, but it isn't. You're still a nerd. "Hey nerd, playing Stars and Stripes Forever again? Well check out this Miles Davis tune we're doing in jazz band."

infinite zest - 2015-12-24
Yeah, I got to be in the middle school jazz band when I first started playing bassoon, which was actually really helpful: the songs were all easy but there was still room for improv solos, which meant that I learned how to listen to my instrument more than read the notes on a page.

But the high school one was horrible. You think high school football coaches can be mean, you haven't really gotten to know a lot of high school jazz band teachers. The movie Whiplash seems like an exaggeration and it really isn't: I knew lots of kids who up and quit playing their instruments because of the guy at my school. So I was happy with orchestra and making .mod files on my computer, which was the style at the time.

infinite zest - 2015-12-24
But then again I was in a private youth philharmonic as well, whose conductor at one point picked up a music stand and threw it into the violin section, sending a kid to the hospital. Or so the legend goes. But I was there for when we were playing a concert and a baby started crying, at which point he stopped conducting to turn around and tell the woman that she should've had an abortion.

infinite zest - 2015-12-24
The stories continue actually, he told a first violinist to sit a row back and then another row and then another row until there were no more rows in an effort to kick her out of the orchestra. She was 12 and full of tears. He also fucked some of the students. At the time the maximum age was 17.

Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2015-12-24
If someone doesnt like jazz, thats fine. If someone likes jazz, thats fine. Music appreciation is subjective, some music will do stuff to you and some other music will not. Arguing that something has no value just because it doesnt do anything for you personally is extremely egocentric and sorta childishly naive and close minded imo.
Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2015-12-24
You will probably look back on this video in X amount of years and completely disagree with, or disapprove of your former self.

Cena_mark - 2015-12-24
"You will probably look back on this video in X amount of years and completely disagree with, or disapprove of your former self."

Yeah right. I've never made a video that I disagreed with or disaproved of years later. All those videos I made from 2008-2010 were right. My views were correct in that time period, but the world changed and being more of a social democrat became the correct mindset. All the truly enlighted people were libertarians from 2003-2011, and social democrats from 2011 to the present day.

EvilHomer - 2015-12-24
Sadly, Cena is correct (as usual).

Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2015-12-24
Never disagreeing with a previous self sounds like never learning.

EvilHomer - 2015-12-24
Oh no, I think it's good to disagree with your previous self if your previous self happened wrong; what I mean is that Cena is correct about jazz (and about our society's shift in correct mindsets).

Like you said, Mr Cat, music appreciation is subjective, and *subjectively*, some people enjoy listening to music which sucks! People are free to appreciate sucky music, just as people are free to appreciate Whooper Jrs, pewdiepie, and wading neck-deep in pools of raw sewage.

In other words, suckitude is an objective quality of jazz; whether one responds positively or negatively to suckitude, that is entirely up to the listener himself.

Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2015-12-24
Also @Cena theres an awful lot of weird music that cannot be easily pidgeonholed (the best music imo) that often gets lumped into the 'jazz' category, as it is an extremely broad category sort of like the 'classical' one which encompasses many styles and eras. By adopting this anti-jazz stance you may end up cutting yourself of from some great music that you'd really enjoy, out of a stubborn intent not to be hypocritical towards your professed beliefs.

Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2015-12-24
Also I totally hate a lot of literature like James Joyce and whatnot. It does absolutely nothing for me, worse than that, I find it really boring and dumb. However I cannot deny that it massively floats quite a few other peoples boats and they find it enthralling, compelling, rich etc. And thats great! All art is pointless and trivial and if something is harmlessly or benignly providing such enjoyment to people then thats awesome imo.

Cena_mark - 2015-12-24
I'm just joking purplecat. I disagree with my past self on a lot of things. I might even like jazz someday, but right now I hate it, and y'all are nerds for liking it. I probably have a lot of music that's borderline jazz like early Tom Waits and Zappa's Hot Rats.

EvilHomer - 2015-12-24
Mr Cat - that is because you do not enjoy reading gibberish. Some people DO enjoy reading gibberish, hence, why they enjoy James Joyce. Again, the objective state of being-gibberish is one thing, and the individual's subjective experience with gibberish, another.

For example, I myself like James Joyce. I like him because I am a hipster and because I enjoy gibberish, savoring both the social capital which comes from being seen to enjoy gibberish, as well as the quiet contemplation of gibberish in my own home. You are perfectly correct in maintaining that you and I, our own subjective experiences of Joyce's gibberish are equally valid and authentic. But I should not lie, and you should not feel obliged to lie for me; we should speak plainly, and call gibberish for what it is.

Mr. Purple Cat Esq. - 2015-12-24
@Evilhomer I'm fine with calling it gibberish. I agree that it is (as far I can can fathom anyway(not that I have even investigated the matter much)) As I said above art is pointless and trivial. But if said gibberish does stuff for you than great!
I think we pretty much in agreement here.

RedRust - 2015-12-24
Very interesting putting a face on internet users...
infinite zest - 2015-12-25
Wouldn't be the first time :)


Oscar Wildcat - 2015-12-24
This is silly and a poor troll at that, but it's worth noting two things. One, the hat and pipe actually work pretty well for you: don't be so dismissive of such accessories.

Two, I have oft opined that EvilHomer is your generation's Holden Caufield. I now come to find that you, Cena Mark, are it's Bob Dylan! Proof? Why, I'm glad you asked!


How could this not be here already? That clip was _made_ for this site, Cena? When did you stop loving us? Was it the time we flooded your bathtub?
Cena_mark - 2015-12-24
Trolling? I just had to call out the jazz nerds. They need a good lecturing.
I don't wear hats like that in public. I originally bought it for a Rorschach costume. The pipe I do smoke sometimes. Not so often anymore, but I do smoke more when I'm out to sea.
Like Waits or Zappa, I can't be pegged into a single genre. I do hip hop, folk, free jazz (as domonstrated here), and rock.
Of course I still love you guys, I just don't want to flood this place with everything I do.

That guy - 2015-12-24
I'm sure you do them all really, really well.

Scrotum H. Vainglorious - 2015-12-24
Ok now let's see you play the skin flute
RedRust - 2015-12-24
Once I told a coworker in front of everyone that he is good at playing the skin flute. Boy, was he mad...

yogarfield - 2015-12-24

yogarfield - 2015-12-24
Cena, you are so weird. Merry Xmas bro.
That guy - 2015-12-25
Cena, you suck. Merry Xmas bro.

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