Fandom is the worst.
All of them.
...except Joss Whedon fans. They're perfectly reasonable.
Firefly fans are the worst. They obsess over a show that didn't even finish it's first season and ended like 15 years ago. Whenever I bring this up to them they make a million excuses for the show, blaming the network, while the true reason it failed is cause it sucked.
No, that's true at all Cena. You are operating under the assumption that a show's aesthetic quality determines whether it succeeds or fails in a network television environment, but this has NEVER been the case. Case in point: Buffy got like fifty seasons, and Angel got nearly as many. Both of those shows sucked far, far worse than Firefly.
Wrong metric, longevity is a measure of the most AVERAGE shows. Mass appeal rarely correlates with quality. Those shows are the middle of the bell curve.
Although not at all likely why the show got pulled, I still agree with Cena that Firefly sucked.
You want to have real fun with Firefly fans, point out to them that Adam Baldwin is a vocal right-wing lunatic on par with Ted Nugent and watch their heads explode trying to excuse their dumb fetishization of him.
I like to point out to Wheadon fans that Buffy the Vampire Slayer is not, in fact, an empowering female character so much as Joss Wheadon's creepy, hybrid "tough girl"/"women in peril" fetish object and isn't much different from a "bad girl" character in a Russ Meyer movie except with the "vampires" and "underage" in place of "giant breasts"
I didn't realize just how creepy the subtext of that show was until someone informed me that Joss Wheadon is apparently not actually gay, which I just assumed for a long time.
Basically I used to give him a pass for Buffy because I thought he was writing a character he wanted to be, then I found out he was writing a character he wanted to fuck and just no.
There's nothing wrong with writing a character based around your turn-ons and fetishes, as long as you're honest about it and don't pretend that you're doing something principled and high-minded instead.
But what if one of your turn-ons is pretending to be principled and high-minded?
Oh boy, internet drama.
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I'm just going to 5 star this so it doesn't leave the front page and it can at least be discussed.. :/
I would like to apologize for Jump Cut Gaysian. His channel is kinda terrible in a "I'm a budding Ray William Johnson" sort of way, but this is the most informative and well-researched video on the subject I could find.
There was another piece of investigative journalism featuring a pink-haired scene girl, but she spent most of the video taking about her art and yelling at people, failing to adequately explain the details behind what had happened.
This didn't really go deep. It's just the guy talking about the true message of the show and how bullying people to suicide conflicts with it.
No, but it's deeper than the other videos on this subject. They include scene girl:
and That Bearded MRA Who Isn't AmazingAtheist:
The thing is, most of these videos assume that the viewers have already done their research, and already understand the underlying issue - that the Steven Universe fandom went all Charlie Hebdo and tried to murder a poor young woman. They don't really explain what happened, so they might be confusing for a less SU-savvy audience.
I've even gotten shit from the SU fandom for shipping Pearl with Mayor Dewey. They've said nonsense along the lines of, "Pearl is a LESBIAN, she loves Rose. You're turning a gay character into a bisexual, that's lesbian erasure, that's homophobic.
I'm like, we know Pearl had a crush on Rose, but that doesn't mean she's a exclusively a Lesbian. It's an unhealthy obsession. She needs to move on to the awesome mayor who has a crush on her.
But no one's tried to drive me to suicide. I just get called a homophobe.
I really don't understand what drives fandoms like this. Take, for example, the LazyTown fandom: artists and authors can ship their own Mayor, Mayor Meanswell, with anyone they like - including his niece Stephanie - and nobody bats an eye. Interracial incest, despite the fact she's clearly got a thing for Rottenella, so what? Live and let live, the fandom says. Or the Mortal Kombat fandom - yeah, pair off Mileena with Scorpion and Kitana with Jade, despite the fact that official canon states that they are in relationships with Baraka and Lui Kang, respectively. Who cares? WWE, ship whomever. Sailor Moon, ship whomever. Sonichu, ship whomever. Let your freak flag fly.
But then you've got all these SU dorks acting all high-and-mighty, thought-policing their community's 'ships like a pack of Maoist child soldiers. It's sad.
I think it's long past time for a liberal critique of Steven Universe.
He's the mayor of the town Steven lives in, Beach City. He rocks. He has a van with a large likeness of his head on top of it, and speakers that blare out "Mayor Dewey!"
He has an unrequited crush on Pearl, yet the haters are hypocritically cool with Pearl's unrequited crush on Rose, cause it's gay and thereby cool.
Oh, so he's like some uyoku dantai, ultra-nationalist politician? That's cool. He'd be perfect paired up with a lesbian space alien.
He's also voiced by Joel Hodgson, which automatically makes him the best character in this show.
When Joel Hodgson voices your best character, you know your show is in trouble.
The whole cast is awesome. Estelle is amazing as Garnet.
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Doesn't this extend to all fandom, as well as all parts of the internet? LIke I said in the last video, I could imagine drawing some MLP that was done wrong and getting similar backlash. Hell, a few weeks ago remember when I talked about how I tried to cover for my ex's DUI (unsuccessfully) and got bombarded by people I consider my friends for doing the wrong thing, and that I should kill myself? I took that personally because it came from the heart, but it wasn't gonna bother me. If I put all my heart into that MLP drawing and got the same negative feedback, I'd feel about the same.
This girl has deeper psychological issues that need to be addressed than anything that can be blamed on negative reactions to her art from SU fans. I truly hope that she gets the help she needs and deserves, but it's kind of like when they blamed Judas Priest for the same thing.
I've never heard of bronies actively encouraging a fanartist to commit suicide, especially not for reasons as stupid as the ones people were attacking Namii over. The closest parallel I can think of might be the Michael Morones case - but bronies came together to *help* Michael and his family. They weren't bullying him.
Yeah it was a hypothetical, just that this could happen in any fandom; I'm sure there have been Star Wars/Trek fans who have done something similar because of something that happened at a convention, forum, etc, but SU's fans' bullying reached the attention of Cartoon Network, prompting the network to launch an anti-bullying campaign of their own.
It's not going to stop the online (or real life, but mostly online) bullying and trolling, but every little thing helps and I think it's cool that they took that initiative, whereas Disney wouldn't care less if someone got trolled to death on a Star Wars forum.
Star Wars has been trolling its own fans to death for the last twenty years.
People are starving.
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