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kamlem - 2016-02-09

I just finished watching the satanic panic film "Regression", which was... ok. Is there a standout book or documentary that details the events that lead up to this hysteria?

Cena_mark - 2016-02-09

Michelle Remembers is one of the important books of that era.

EvilHomer - 2016-02-09

Yes, kamlem, there is. You should read the "Liber Azerate", by Magister Nemidial of the Temple of the Black Light.

Apperiatur terra, et germinet Chaos!

OxygenThief - 2016-02-09

Here is a really dry FBI report from the 90s that might help.

http://web.archive.org/web/20031025012607/http://www.pointnet. ca/media/igtaorca.pdf

Also check out Godless Panther's documentary on YouTube.


kamlem - 2016-02-09

Thanks OT, I'll give it a look. I have seen a lot of the propaganda from the crazy peoples POV, just looking for a non-sensationalised look at the panic, if that is even possible. SRA gets a glance in books and documentaries regarding video nasties, the West Memphis Three, snuff movies, etc, but it would be good to check out something more focused.

OxygenThief - 2016-02-09

Here's a working link for the report.


Old_Zircon - 2016-02-09

Thanks for the PDF version of the report, I've been meaning to read it for a while but I only knew of some unformatted HTML versions.

Old_Zircon - 2016-02-09

In the related videos, there's a new, more fully researched version of the Godlesspanther series:


Old_Zircon - 2016-02-09

He doesn't ever seem to get in to middle America's suspicion of the commune movement in the late 60s and 70s, and the huge cultural impact of the Manson family (including the unsubstantiated and almost certainly false report in Helter Skelter - which was very widely read and still is - of the existence of films showing dozens to hundreds of Manson followers performing a ritual beheading of a living adult) and the existence of actual, non-urban-legend pockets of Manson followers.

Anecdotal stuff:

I never substantiated it but there was a house in Jamaica Plain, MA near where I lived for most of my 20s that was widely accepted to be owned and occupied by about half a dozen members of the original family, and that was in the 2000s. So between that and the real religious cults that rose and (mostly) failed in the 70s and to a lesser degree after - a friend an former roommate of mine grew up in a full blown cult commune, and a guy I knew in high school had a girlfriend for about a year who was an escapee from a cult in Canada that was later broken up for having over 100 people living in one unfurnished barn.

Cults did and do exist, and while they weren't at all what the Satanic Panic people claimed they were, there was a lot of ugly business going on in many of them, so it's not totally unreasonable that allegations of child abuse by cults were given some credence. Another big factor was the unprecedented social and political power the evangelical community accrued under Reagan.

I wish Godlesspanther covered more of the broader cultural forces that contributed to the Satanic Panic becoming a "relatively" mainstream phenomenon, he focuses a little too much on the evangelicals from what I've watched so far, which reflects his own internet-atheist agenda (one that I mostly agree with, but it's still an agenda) at the expense of a more comprehensive exploration of the topic. It's still a good introduction though, definitely worth a watch.

memedumpster - 2016-02-09

I have met an astonishing amount of ex cultists. It seems cults have been and remain everywhere. Note I don't mean weird ass religions like the NoI or even lame ass cults-of-teen-rebellion like the ToS. There really is a level of fucked up a proper cult has over the worst religion or mail-ordo-templi. When a group of religious idiots decides to be a cult, they call themselves one of the synonyms of "orthodox" so everyone else in the religion knows to despise them, and when Satanic magicians go all cult, they go play video games and smoke weed instead because cults aren't womb-comforting.

My general rule of thumb is if you can't marry out of it, it's a cult. If you can, but the family will hate you and your spouse for it, it's a religion.

Old_Zircon - 2016-02-09

Yeah, I'm not counting sects and things, just full on cults.

New England always had more cuts than average I think.

A few small towns in western MA as they exist today were virtually created by a cult. The also started the band Metelica.


EvilHomer - 2016-02-09

"One man's cult is another man's freedom fighter".

I can confirm that New England is a bastion of cults, particularly the Mass/ New Hampshire/ Vermont area.

Old_Zircon - 2016-02-10

Western Mass and southern NH seem to be cult central, with VT and Maine trailing close behind.

Ever been out to Rangley? I ended up there by accident a few years ago and didn't make the connection at first, but you could just feel something a little off about the place - local businesses with strange, abstract op-art looking icons stuck on their signs, a giant barn completely covered with stamped aluminum plating. The direction I came in to town I didn't see Organon until I was on my way out and it all clicked.

EvilHomer - 2016-02-10

Yeah, my mom lived in southern NH, and most of the cults she rolled with were located in that dark border land beyond the Merrimack river. My theory is that the forests are haunted by Lovecraftian spirits, who have conjured a wall of negative energy vortices across that entire region. Past the lights of Boston, urban civilization comes to an end, and Madness begins it's reign.

I've never been to Rangeley, but I did attend an orgone seminar as a child! If I remember correctly, it took place in the auditorium of a local Waldorf school. The gentleman claimed that the entire building was being powered by an orgone unlimited-energy generator; which he couldn't show anyone, of course, because patents and Big Oil and etc etc

Nominal - 2016-02-09

Was there really a 90s satan panic? I remember the last one being a strictly 80s thing.

Cena_mark - 2016-02-09

Same one, it just lasted into the 90s.

Nominal - 2016-02-09

I'm old enough to remember being warned of satanists everywhere poisoning candy and kidnapping kids in vans, but I don't remember it lasting into the 90s. I remember it lasting to '88 or '89 tops.

Old_Zircon - 2016-02-09

Same here, but then most of the videos and books I've found are from the 90s so I guess it kept going.

Austin Trey Bernard (the person who's cited as the inspiration for season 1 of True Detective) was indicted for child abuse in 2007 and both he and the known victims claimed that the abuse was part of satanic rituals conducted after hours in the church where he was a pastor (no evidence was found and the victims recanted their stories later).

There's actually a Vice thing about it but it's not worth watching, it's complete, desperate garbage even by Vice standards.

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