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Desc:perhaps the penultimate child death
Category:Classic Movies, Horror
Tags:1932, frankenstein, child death, Child Death Week, honest mistake
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Cena_mark - 2016-02-21
This scene is amazing. Karloff's expressions really made this film work. This scene was removed and lost for over 50 years.
EvilHomer - 2016-02-21
Karloff? Karloff did not deserve to smell my shit! That limey cocksucker can rot in Hell for all I care!

You think it takes talent to do Frankenstein? It's all makeup and grunting.

(ruugghrrr duuurrrr)

Cena_mark - 2016-02-21
You philistine!

EvilHomer - 2016-02-21

Cena_mark - 2016-02-21
Ha, I missed a classic reference. Lugosi was a hater, and never got over passing on the Frankenstein role.

EvilHomer - 2016-02-21
Lugosi was right! Karloff WAS a cocksucker, and it didn't take talent to play Frankenstein. That's why Lugosi *turned down* the role of Frankenstein; because it was beneath his talents as an actor.

Cena_mark - 2016-02-21
It wasn't, he was just short sighted. Maybe he couldn't even have pulled it off the way Karloff did. He simultaneously gave Frankenstein a terrifying look, but with a childlike innocence. He made you care about the monster. I'll just add this to the long list of awesome things you hate.

EvilHomer - 2016-02-21
He made The Monster look like a slow-n-the-mind. Have you ever read the book? Because in the book, The Monster is not a slow-in-the-mind. The Monster is, at worst, a high-functioning autistic; he is intelligent, creative, and emotionally complex, but a little ignorant of human society, and shunned by them out of fear.

Also, this movie is to blame for all those low-brows who naively call the Monster "a Frankenstein", instead of using one of the proper terms for that character - terms like monster, creature, abomination, or Adam. Karloff not only dumbed down The Monster, he also dumbed down all of The Monster's fans.

Dracula was a crappy novel with a crappy character that, against all odds, was given wonderful life thanks to Lugosi. That is in stark contrast to how badly Karloff butchered Frankenstein! Lugosi -elevated- his material, Karloff -diminished- it.

Cena_mark - 2016-02-21
I never read the novel, but it doesn't matter. The film is its own unique piece of art, and it has surpassed the book in the public consciousness. I don't care how the book portrayed Frankenstein. Karloff is the image most people think of when you mention Frankenstein.
I love Dracula too, but I wouldn't say Karloff diminished Frankenstein he he just made him different.
Lugosi was great as Dracula's monster.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-02-21
Okay, Lugosi never called Karloff a cocksucker.
That was Martin Landau.

Little Maria was played by Marilyn Hariss , who lived to the age of 75, and passed away in 1998. From her IMDB page:

Boris Karloff was a very sweet, wonderful man, and I just loved him. Immediately, from being on the lot, and taking his hand, I just loved him. I had no fear of him, whatsoever. We seemed to have a rapport together-and it was like magic.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-02-21
Frankenstein is one of those wonderful 19th century novels that makes you struggle for a hundred pages, and then grabs you by the breast bone until it's over. Dracula may be the same way, but I never made it that far.

The movie version of Frankenstein is a separate work of art that should
be judged separately.

Lugosi is amazing in Dracula. He would become an old man almost immediately afterwmard, but in 1931, he was gorgeous, and he used his Valentino looks to give the count a charisma that turns a notoriously uneven film into a classic. There are better Vamire movies, but there is no greater vampire.

Bort - 2016-02-21
Adam considered himself Dr. Frankenstein's son. He's Adam Frankenstein.

The use of the phrase "a Frankenstein" is perhaps less accurate but much more awesome:


As for "Dracula", it's the most butt-boring thing I ever read. A huge section of the beginning obsesses about train schedules as if it were "Sheldon Cooper's Dracula", and the Victorian writing style muffles any emotional impact the tale might tell. I'm probably not the target audience, though, and as such I demand better vampire tales. Hell, "Blacula" was a better story, about an African prince who tried to enlist European royalty to stop the slave trade, made the mistake of starting with Count Dracula, and found himself cursed by Dracula and explicitly given the name "Blacula" so he could never forget. This was a vampire you could feel empathy for, especially his undying love for his wife (killed by Dracula) whose reincarnated self he found again in the 70s.

EvilHomer - 2016-02-21
>> Okay, Lugosi never called Karloff a cocksucker.

Prove it. A lot of people make a lot of claims about the rivalry (or lack thereof) between Karloff and Lugosi, but most Hollywood insiders - like Landau, Depp, and Burton - beleive that there was animosity between the two of them. If you've got some evidence to the contrary, evidence which people who work in the movie industry and know people who worked directly with these two actors apparently aren't privy to, then please present it.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-02-21
I can tell you that both Maila Nurmi and Bela Lugosi Jr centered on the profanity of the Bela Lugosi of ED WOOD as out of character for Bela. Nurmi said he sounded like Howard Stern.

EvilHomer - 2016-02-21
Whom did they say this to, and in what context? (after all, we know that Bela Jr was a notorious rascal who repeatedly lied about, and player-hated upon, the real Ed Wood, and would understandably be tempted to whitewash Bela before a judgemental press) Also, did Bela Jr keep in close contact with Bela during his final years? The years when Bela was broken, destitute, and strung out on drugs?

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-02-22
Homer, right now my ISP seems to be blocking this site, and I can only reach Poetv through my cellphone. it takes 10 minutes to type a sentence. Not gonna go for your faux Socratic shtick.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-02-22
In Danse Macabre, Stephen Kind had some interesting insights into Dracula the novel. He says that Stoker deliberately keeps Dracula in the background through most of the book, an unseen force directing events. The way he describes it reminded me of the unseen shark in the first 40 minutes of Jaws.

Sadly, the method might just not work for us today. A 21st century reader probably just keeps waiting and waiting for Dracula to make his entrance, so something can actually happen.

The epistolary form is sort of tedious, though I guess it makes sense for the story. It's like the 19th century equivalent of found footage.

EvilHomer - 2016-02-22
It is neither faux, nor Socratic, nor a shtick. I am simply asking you to elaborate upon and convince me of your position; if you can't do that, you can't do that. It's a little disappointing, but you know what is and is not presently within your capabilities, and I fully respect that.

EvilHomer - 2016-02-21
If this is the penultimate child death, then what is the ultimate?
Bort - 2016-02-21
Man, that girl's got no buoyancy at all. Must be the Bavarian diet.

I haven't seen this scene in so long that I misremembered what happened: I thought Frankenstein turned violent on her. So as I was watching this scene unfold with the "boats" all I could think was, if Adam Sandler did a "Frankenstein" movie this would be the part where he tosses the girl in the water.

Adam Sandler's "Frankenstein". Just let that one roll around in your head for a while.
memedumpster - 2016-02-21
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yogarfield - 2016-02-23

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-02-21
276 MINUTES???
John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-02-23
Back in the 90s, I was obsessed with Wood-Lugosi, and I read everything I could get my hands on, including the book that the movie was based on, and I had a subscription to Cult Movies. There's a quote from Lugosi expressing regret at turning down Frankenstein because "I created my own competition.". You can't rule out that he ever said it, l suppose but if the was a record, I think it would have turned up.

If had seen the first time you mentioned the cocksucker thing, when you quoted the movie so perfectly, which was xelightful, I probably wouldn't have mentioned it. I only saw the second reference (Lugosi was right) and it seemed worth clarifying.


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