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Anaxagoras - 2016-05-05

This guy was so full of shit.

This clip definitely belongs here.


Oscar Wildcat - 2016-05-05

True, that. He was composed of tons of shit, pressed together under such powerful tectonic forces as to produce that rarest of materials, diamond shit.

Fun facts about Disney abound. Did you know he used interred Japanese during the war to animate for his studio? Also, he help McCarthy to root out commies in hollywood. What a guy!


cognitivedissonance - 2016-05-05

At this time, Disney was really actively fighting his ghosts. Gabler's biography is the best out there.

Supposedly at the Florida press junket where he announced EPCOT, later at night after the parties and what not, he got totally loaded, and whipped his dick out and dared the photographers to shoot it. None of them did out of respect. This story is really boldly printed in Gabler's book and I kind of doubt it as true, it seems so out of character, but I'd believe it I guess.


Old_Zircon - 2016-05-05

That radial city plan originates in traditional African villages, I forget what tribal groups in particular though.


memedumpster - 2016-05-05

That's an interesting point, when did that start? Tell es-Sultan, the prehistoric Jericho considered the oldest settlement in the world, was not laid out this way. Who invented wagon wheel cities? They must be near prehistoric.


betamaxed - 2016-05-05

I like how they started with the concept that people would actually live in work in a city built by disney and ended up with a lesser park that people went to in order to watch Captain EO.


Jeriko-1 - 2016-05-05

Hey! Captain EO was awesome!


chumbucket - 2016-05-05

Disney died and the passion behind this grand idea died with him:
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/news/a35104/walt-disney-e pcot-history-city-of-tomorrow/


Anaxagoras - 2016-05-05

That was really interesting. Thanks for posting it.


Doomstein - 2016-05-05

It's kind of ironic that Disney (post Walt) would instead build Celebration, FL. The Neo-Urbanism city of yesteryear Truman Show nightmare fuel.


Binro the Heretic - 2016-05-06

I remember seeing clips from this in a 1980s TV special about Ol' Uncle Walt.

It painted him as this grand visionary struggling against forces that continually stood in his way and held him back all to make everyone's lives a little brighter.

They left out all the racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, homophobia and union-busting.


SolRo - 2016-05-06

Anyone have sourced/reputable dirt on walt disney? the wiki feels really whitewashed/apologist


Binro the Heretic - 2016-05-06

There's lots of circumstantial evidence, but nobody has actual recorded media of him being a dick. Enough people who worked with him have come forward with consistent stories, though.

Apologists who do admit he had a shitty attitude towards women, non-Whites, homosexuals & non-Christians all say, "Well, he was a product of his time."


Anaxagoras - 2016-05-06

The American Experience biography of him is really, really good. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYp-RuQ7igA) It unflinchingly discusses both Disney's positives (his vision, his talent, how he made "Disney" products unique) as well as his negatives..(his anti-labor bullshit, his paternalism, his problematic relationship with race)


Oscar Wildcat - 2016-05-06

I also saw the AE bio and recommend it: he and Henry Ford have a lot in common.


cognitivedissonance - 2016-05-06

Kind of my area of expertise. The aforementioned Neal Gabler biography is the best, most reliable start, very even handed and covers the entire lifetime.

A lot of Disney's vileness is in pure extrapolation. This is a guy who was offered the governor's desk of California and turned it down because it was a step down in power from studio chief. He was a paternalist, he was a right winger, he was a red baiter. He famously told a Hindi employee that he didn't hire Jews and fired him.

This is a guy who lived a parallel life to Adolf Hitler and wound up doing way more for racism, sexism and patriarchy than Hitler ever achieved.


memedumpster - 2016-05-06

Cog, you are the only person who could possibly answer this question that will read words from out my brains.

Who would win in a fight, Ayn Rand or Walt Disney?


cognitivedissonance - 2016-05-06

Disney sent goons out to murder strikers in the desert, and Roy surreptitiously pays the goons to NOT murder the strikers. Roy then directs Lillian Disney to convince Walt to go to South America to make the Tres Caballeros cartoons, and the second Walt was out of the country, Roy talked down the strike.

Point is: Walt had at least one moment where he'd murder a bunch of 20 somethings who crossed him, and we'll never know the instances where Roy wasn't able to talk him out of it. I'm pretty sure Walt had a few bodies.

My money goes on Walt, honestly.


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