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Desc:Vi Hart lays down some truth.
Category:Educational, Crime
Tags:racism, injustice, Tragedy, vi hart, Black Lives Matter
Submitted:Binro the Heretic
Date:07/13/16
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Comment count is 51
bawbag
Spot on.

betabox
Vi Hart may well be the best person.

Anaxagoras
That's all well and good, but she failed to include my deep-seated antipathy towards the negro race.

Wait... sorry.... I forgot to code switch. What I meant to say was that she failed to include my annoyance at the slightest hint that I, as a white person, might have in any way contributed to this situation.

Fuck. Wrong code switch. Let me try again.

She failed to include that I think most police officers are good people, so it's unfair to tar them all as racists just because of a few bad apples.

Yeah, that last time I got it. So yeah... what bullshit.
Ugh
at the start of BLM i saw so many folks struggle with it (in a fashion similar to the "i dont see race" person who pops up in every jane elliott experiment) and i was sympathetic, but i keep running into these people and suddenly their weird attempts to be beacons of infallible perspective is more agitating than even the most racist assholes i've known

Ugh
a teacher gives a student an assignment to write a report on BLM

the kid walks into the class, drops half a dozen black corpses on the teacher's desk

"whoa settle down darkie" says the teacher, who then turns to the kid, and hands over a paper with a big F on it and "WERE YOU THERE" written under it with a frowny face stamp

the kid then looks down to grab a cell phone to play some video evidence for the teacher, but when he looks up

the teacher is gone

the teacher was a youtube comment all along

*passes flashlight to the left*
Binro the Heretic
Were those corpses really small or was that kid hella strong?

Ugh
it's a cool way to symbolize that they're barely any weight on US society's conscience

or you can pretend he had a radio flyer wagon idk

Bort
It's not about police killing blacks too often, or not just that anyway. It's about how the police close ranks to protect the officers in ways they don't if the victim is white. It's about how prosecutors throw the case in ways they don't if the victim is white. As a society, we rely on our police and our courts to do their job fairly; if they cannot, then our society is not merely imperfect in its efforts at fairness, it is fundamentally unjust.

And it's about how the media tends to reduce black victims to wrongdoers who got caught and then things went bad, while white victims are described with humanizing characteristics so that you know it's a tragedy they were killed. That goes a long way to trying to make the unjust appear to be just.
Lord_Crocodilicus
This, in my opinion, is fine to believe

memedumpster
White hand, don't care, one star, shut the fuck up, honkies.

You're sniffing your own farts on a pile of corpses.
Anaxagoras
What the fuck are you talking about?

This isn't an example of whites congratulating themselves on their own progressiveness. Instead, it's an example of one white (you got that part right, at least) explaining some basics about race relations to other whites. Yes, some of her audience already knows this shit, but there's a good chance that she'll reach at least a couple whites to whom this is helpful.

teethsalad
oh wow look another asshole who conflates cynicism with wisdom

dairyqueenlatifah
All Lives Matter.

If you disagree you're the racist, not me.
Binro the Heretic
You know what the phrase "Black Lives Matter" means and if you pretend you don't you're a racist asshole.

Shoebox Joe
@DQL, This ain't math you chode and pretending that every movement is a hive mind is fucking dumb. Seriously, you and every other schmuck attempting to be objective to a movement would rather pretend it's a fucking vacuum procession and take the back seat than actually participate.

Xenocide
All lives matter. Water is wet. Cats go meow.

Never before have so many people repeated something so meaningless.

When "all lives" have to start worrying about getting shot to death for jaywalking or carrying a toy gun, then this asinine little hashtag might start meaning something.

But you know damn well that the only reason someone would say "All lives matter" n this context is because there's some ugly place deep inside you that refuses to accept that a black person deserves to exist on this planet just as much as you do.

chumbucket
^^ stars

Binro the Heretic
Spirit stars to Xenocide. (I don't want to be the kind of douche who 5-stars their own video.)

Bort
Well five-star him for me please.

Rodents of Unusual Size
I just want to say I've always loved Dairyqueenlatifah. Are you on Facebook, dude?

Gmork
Do math things.
Shoebox Joe
This ain't math you chode and pretending that every movement is a hive mind is fucking dumb.

Gmork
I know it's not math. I watch Vi Hart for math / geometry things. Not political things.

One star.

betabox
You are fucking useless, and you are the problem, Gmork. 0 stars for you.

crojo
Alton Sterling was face up with his right arm free and trying to get at the gun in his pocket.
Shoebox Joe
I still don't get how #blacklivesmatter has been placed in with gay pride parades as being garish and uncouth. When the video of #BLM "interrupting" a gay pride parade was posted here, I was expected maybe there was some sort of news spin and PoETV had accepted it for that reason. But no. Ignore what emotions there were from when PoE first started. Ignore the prospect that this is atrocity tourism with an emphasis on seeing another perspective. Ignore the fucking spin that can take place solely on the fucking line when you have two urgent messages and movements, one of them just getting some resolution but has stragglers still stabbing at it with the preconception of fucking meek, and the other slathered across the headlines with what seems daily, legitimate fucking reasons to be on the fucking headlines. Ignore the possibility that there was possibly any communication between the two, because that doesn't fucking matter when the thesis of America "Get it done, protect the weak and the freedoms" can be thrown so far out of the context that the entire session can look like a fucking freaking accident.

Granted, any protest or public display will garner skepticism, but it seems like there is every chance to intensify the trait of a lack of uniformity on the left and simply attack, attack, and if you're not sure, attack again with that trait.

You're fucking embarrassing, PoETV. You're too busy trying to be self-righteous on what ever is posted, whether in the past or present, that you're main objective is to sustain what prevalent life force of smugness you have. You might as well be an associate of STORMFRONT bullshit if you keep this up so here's your much deserved five stars.
Bort
I think most people here are on board with BLM in general. As far as the Toronto gay pride parade goes, I initially thought that BLM interrupting them was very much picking the wrong target; I remain skeptical, but I have at least read that there are levels of politics going on between the two groups so maybe it was a better-targeted operation than it initially seemed.

Anyway, I'm not sure what precisely you're reacting to, because overall it looks like people here have a handle on BLM and the legitimacy of their cause.

Anaxagoras
I think he's assuming the 1-star brigade is representative of poetv, rather than the same few sad sacks who stubbornly refuse to understand why #AllLivesMatter is bullshit. (Plus whatever-the-hell memedumpster is doing)

StanleyPain
I fully support the idea of BLM. I just think, like many other progressive, truly liberal minded causes, it has at least been partially hijacked by regressive leftists who are using it as an excuse to:
1. marginalize other, equally valid movements because their brains cannot process the idea of multiple social injustices being on the same footing.
2. act out their own personal prejudices on other people under the cloak of a social cause. (the black community, nationally, has been universally awful on gay rights and religious freedom issues for decades, so when you interrupt or co-opt gay rights movements, you are literally doing the same horrible, dismissive crap to gay people as white people do to blacks when they dismiss BLM)
3. Silence their critics, no matter how valid their opinions are, in the usual regressive "everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" sort of way so that they exist in the very same kind of echo chamber that most right-wing, racist groups exist in, interestingly enough.

BLM is fine, for the most part. The problem is that the majority of people in the movement and its primary figures are not doing enough to marginalize the idiots who are using the BLM brand for their own dumb bullshit.

Gmork
Stanley sums my opinion perfectly.

Shoebox Joe
"I fully support the idea of BLM."


Bullshit

"I just think, like many other progressive, truly liberal minded causes, it has at least been partially hijacked by regressive leftists who are using it as an excuse to:"

Bullshit. You don't have to be on the left to be a part of BLM. It is not a progressive, truly liberal minded cause.

"1. marginalize other, equally valid movements because their brains cannot process the idea of multiple social injustices being on the same footing."

That's not new and using the peanut gallery as a point of opinionated interest is a waste of anyone's time and also reflects what I just described as anyone using the lack of uniformity to descredit or marginalize a movement.

"2. act out their own personal prejudices on other people under the cloak of a social cause. (the black community, nationally, has been universally awful on gay rights and religious freedom issues for decades, so when you interrupt or co-opt gay rights movements, you are literally doing the same horrible, dismissive crap to gay people as white people do to blacks when they dismiss BLM)"

Tipper Gore was a bigger fucking cloak using the PMRC hearings as a way to stifle music that had "controversial" opinions regarding minority groups. This isn't a fucking cloak, this is you wanting there to be something so you can be pissed off at blacks.

"3. Silence their critics, no matter how valid their opinions are, in the usual regressive "everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" sort of way so that they exist in the very same kind of echo chamber that most right-wing, racist groups exist in, interestingly enough."

And what if those critics actually turn out to be whiny shits. What if those critics are whiny shits seeking opinions from shitty people who brandish themselves as being in the movement. What if the people who are silencing others with the label of racism feel like they're answering the same god damn 3 or 4 questions in a row and are tired of fucking elaborating politely and diplomatically as to why their ideas or misconceptions are fucking bad. There's so much of a gray area that pretending the black and white effect is anything more than fatigue is more self-serving bullshit than a matter of patience.

"BLM is fine, for the most part. The problem is that the majority of people in the movement and its primary figures are not doing enough to marginalize the idiots who are using the BLM brand for their own dumb bullshit."

Again, you do not have to be leftist to be a supporter of BLM and pretending this shit is a hive mind effect when there are even white motherfucking conservatives who opened their mouths and said "There is a problem" when Eric Garner fucking died is fucking disingenuous to say the least.

@acloudoffarts
"Stanley sums my opinion perfectly."

No he doesn't. He didn't say anything about banning selling skittles to niglets and setting a curfew for niggers all around.

Gmork
Joe, you're self-destructing and it's entertaining as hell.

Gmork
Also why do you love to say "nigger" so much?

Shoebox Joe
To give you the illusion that you're not a racist piece of shit.

Gmork
But it's not an illusion. I think I know myself a little better than you, Joe.

I'd rather be mistaken for a racist than someone who tells people "GO FUCKING DIE" with a straight face. I'd say it's fun watching you flounder about and tilt at windmills, but it's actually kind of frightening.

You put a whole lot of effort into being angry. It's not good for your heart (or your soul).

Shoebox Joe
I really wish you were being honest about your second paragraph there, but the last time you were asked about you feelings towards transsexuals you blubbered like Bill Donohue. A chance that any open minded, willing to share what dilemmas and emotional hurdles it took to overcome the stereotypes and perspectives, let alone the rare chance of someone from the get go able to understand why acceptance is a full circle revelation that you do not just do once.

The only redeeming fucking amount of any personal emotional exposition and discovery you have done was a timid fucking surrender to the idea that yes, there are people who enjoy mariachi bands and the genre of mariachi and coming out that you get off on one of the fetishes often displayed on poetv.

You have done nothing but fight and regress into a pretentious defense of don't be an asshole or being angry is bad. Worse yet you've started doing it now to deflect any incrimination or any discussion that could further.

You do not have the room to earnestly fucking say that you'd rather be mistaken for a racist than for someone to wish you'd fucking die.

My phone is acting up, so apologies for the double post

Shoebox Joe
If it's any consolidation, you're not the only person I've dealt with who struggles with their emotions and not due to a disability. I don't want to say anything further, and I highly recommend not assuming that I'm referring to PTSD, because it can needlessly complicate things, but the needy, clingy and fragile ego are traits you should consider investigating everything about them. How they form, what's their purpose and even if they exist. It does not help you one bit to jump from one line to the other with the belief that a lack of response or resistance means it worked. It SHOULDN'T even be about getting something to work, because that is exactly what psychology was when it took up anything spiritual in it's process and only ended up existing to deny others even existing.

Gmork
"I really wish you were being honest about your second paragraph there,"

I am.

"You have done nothing but fight and regress into a pretentious defense of don't be an asshole or being angry is bad. Worse yet you've started doing it now to deflect any incrimination or any discussion that could further."

You don't seem to want a discussion, every time you respond to me it's to froth at the mouth and tell me to "GO FUCKING DIE". Sorry if I don't exactly take you as seriously as you'd like.

"You do not have the room to earnestly fucking say that you'd rather be mistaken for a racist than for someone to wish you'd fucking die."

Yes, I do.

"If it's any consolidation, you're not the only person I've dealt with who struggles with their emotions and not due to a disability."

I'd imagine not, unless your house lacks mirrors.

Shoebox Joe
["I really wish you were being honest about your second paragraph there,"

I am.]

No. You're not.

["You have done nothing but fight and regress into a pretentious defense of don't be an asshole or being angry is bad. Worse yet you've started doing it now to deflect any incrimination or any discussion that could further."

You don't seem to want a discussion, every time you respond to me it's to froth at the mouth and tell me to "GO FUCKING DIE". Sorry if I don't exactly take you as seriously as you'd like.]

Please list the other times that I have sincerely wished you were fucking dead. And please list a time where I was mindlessly chewing you out and not calling you out.

["You do not have the room to earnestly fucking say that you'd rather be mistaken for a racist than for someone to wish you'd fucking die."

Yes, I do.]

No, you don't. You're a giant fucking cowardly piece of shit, so no matter what answer you give, it's not going to have an ounce of credibility.

["If it's any consolidation, you're not the only person I've dealt with who struggles with their emotions and not due to a disability."

I'd imagine not, unless your house lacks mirrors.]

My god. That was probably the best olive branch out there and you turn it into an opportunity to be a vindictive piece of shit in the most pretentiously way possible. The reason I even gave you what I said was due to having a personal struggle with emotions that I could not personally come to terms as to why they felt out of place. What I gave you wasn't an all out, single piece cure, but a manner of coping through life while climbing out of it. But apparently a closet inflationist doesn't have any sort of struggles to begin with.

Please, keep enjoying your stay in PoeTV, because the only way you survive is continually and habitually being a back stabbing, conniving piece of shit who tries to distance themselves away from any and all positive influence, whether intentional or not.

SolRo
I'd believe the all lives matter retards (here and out in reality) if even once they marched against police violence on their own and weren't exclusively a counter protest movement full of racist jackasses against black people being too uppity.
Bus_Aint_Comin
i was really hoping for actual advice on being a white ally there at the end, instead of an over-the-shoulder "well, you're going to be called racist, have fun out there!" but i'll take what i can get.
Bort
There are other black voices out there with more suggestions:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/06/th is-is-what-white-people-can-do-to-support-blacklivesmatter/

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/29/11_things_white_people_can_do_ to_be_real_anti_racist_allies_partner/

Bus_Aint_Comin
thank you!

15th
How can I make this about me?
Nikon
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-black -lives-matter-terrorist-organization
Shoebox Joe
I really wish you were being honest about your second paragraph there, but the last time you were asked about you feelings towards transsexuals you blubbered like Bill Donohue. A chance that any open minded, willing to share what dilemmas and emotional hurdles it took to overcome the stereotypes and perspectives, let alone the rare chance of someone from the get go able to understand why acceptance is a full circle revelation that you do not just do once.

The only redeeming fucking amount of any personal emotional exposition and discovery you have done was a timid fucking surrender to the idea that yes, there are people who enjoy mariachi bands and the genre of mariachi and coming out that you get off on one of the fetishes often displayed on poetv.

You have done nothing but fight and regress into a pretentious defense of don't be an asshole or being angry is bad. Worse yet you've started doing it now to deflect any incrimination or any discussion that could further.

You do not have the room to earnestly fucking say that you'd rather be mistaken for a racist than for someone to wish you'd fucking die.
Gmork
The post so nice he made it twice.

Oh, and I said "I'd rather be mistaken for a racist than BE someone who wishes another to fucking die".

Like I've said before, I would prefer that people become better rather than corpses.

Rodents of Unusual Size
I want to ask BLM members if they would care at all if I was shot by the police.

If the answer is no, and it probably is, then why the fuck should I give two shits about your retarded rallies? You should care about whites being shot by the police, too.

The elephant in the room is that there are black people out there who are racist as fuck and want nothing more than for white people to DIE. Doesn't matter if they are white citizens or white cops. They enjoy it, they get off on it, they cheer for it. Wake the fuck up. The people who lead this movement are secretly encouraging murder sprees. We over look black on white racism because it doesn't fit the narrative and it doesn't sell whatever you're hawking on CNN.

Fuck Black Lives Matter to the core of their being. I'm all for the right to protest but given the fact that they have already been infiltrated once by ISIS and are now TOTALLY NOT ENCOURAGING OR PROMOTING VIOLENCE AT ALL, we have cops being assassinated.

They don't care about black on black homicide, because that's all white people's fault, too. Everything is our fucking fault. They were colonized, so its to be expected that their people would murder each other whenever the hell they feel like it.

Fuck your trash culture and fuck you for defending it.
betabox
Oh you poor, privileged white guy. Your life must be hell.

Shoebox Joe
ROUS, I have dealt with those black people who are racist as fuck. Granted, they were kids, but it doesn't change the fact they are just as ignorant as anyone else who hasn't thought about the complications, the logistics and frailty of insuring equality.

It is a fucking glaring problem. It is a fucking glaring concern. But letting that get to you promotes what every scheming white supremacist wants and that's to dissolve the fucking movement, a movement that encompasses blacks from all ranges of life, which makes the movement dissolving fucking inevitable considering how long the subject has been under the spotlight with zero fucking accountability on authorities. Zero fucking word from the NRA. Zero fucking word from every fucking agency that is made to have checks and balances to ensure equality for all.

Now, I tried to search for an instance of ISIS infiltrating BLM but there is nothing distinct popping up that is a headline of that matter. So please, link it to me. Otherwise, calm the fuck down, get your fucking head together. It's a struggle that doesn't just affect black people because as long as that power gap continues, this will only get worse and worse and those who are already shitty are just going to be even shittier than they had even been before.

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