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Desc:Spoiler: They're misogynists.
Category:Humor, Classic Movies
Tags:ghostbusters, red letter media, half in the bag
Submitted:Caminante Nocturno
Date:07/18/16
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SolRo - 2016-07-18
You were so much more tolerable when you were just an anime-pedophile , but the evolved MRA-pedoturno form is so boring.
Gmork - 2016-07-18
Get your shitty vendetta star off of my HitB.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-18
So you've changed your mind about lotsmoreorcs, Gmork?

Also, the description's pissyness and the submitter wasn't surprising at all. So yeah, I agree with Solro, but I refuse to rate it just on the principle of speech due to this shitty social circle coding of the website.

Gmork - 2016-07-19
What? Orcs is a homophobic racist piece of trash, that's always been my position. Were you under the impression that it was ever anything else?

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
And Caminante is a woman hating piece of shit, so where's you integrity?

Gmork - 2016-07-19
The stars aren't for Caminante, they're for RLM. Sometimes the submitter matters, sometimes it doesn't. Most of the time, actually. Like, 99.99%.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
Ah yes, I see. No spine, no problem.

Sexy Duck Cop - 2016-07-19
I like how, after a cogent 45-minute dissection of specifics reasons the comedy didn't land, people are STILL saying "it's only because they hate women."

Frankly, Paul Feig really pissed me off with his behavior. There are perfectly valid reasons to dislike this movie, which is not fucking Citizen Kane, beyond personally attacking your own fans.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
I like how you pretend Caminante has never been a piece of shit in the past on this subject and that not a single person here accepts the fact that criticizing the movie is a god damned land mine considering the speculative backlash that was there well before a trailer even showed up.

Seriously, keep with shoving you dick up Christine's Chandler's asshole you fucking sperg, it's your specialty and you should embrace that.

Bort - 2016-07-19
"I like how, after a cogent 45-minute dissection of specifics reasons the comedy didn't land, people are STILL saying "it's only because they hate women.""

The hostility was there long before anyone even saw clips of the remake. Maybe the movie is genuinely lackluster on its own merits, but that doesn't mean there's no misogyny involved.

Actually it's about ethics in ghostbusting journalism.

Bootymarch - 2016-07-19
Please call more people "fucking spergs" when you're trying to make a point about marginalized demographics.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2016-07-19
Oh my god, you've gone Full Sparrow.

ANIME PEDO! (bell gong) SHAME! (bell gong) SHAME!

Caminante isn't a pedo, we would have rooted him out a long time ago if he was. Stop being an asshole.

Old_Zircon - 2016-07-19
I haven't seen the movie so maybe it's completely different than what every bit of footage I've seen suggests, but on the face of it this looks like a cynical "women are popular with the kids today" cash grab, and I strongly suspect that taken on its own merits (actual fandom misogyny notwithstanding) it's the cinematic equivalent to Virginia Slims or gendered Legos or something and if any demographic should be mad about it it's women.

Old_Zircon - 2016-07-19
The people who made this movie have so little respect for women that they think this movie is OK.

Old_Zircon - 2016-07-19
Oh hey, they say pretty much the same thing around the 2/3 mark of this.

Because it's true.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
@Bootymarch
"Please call more people "fucking spergs" when you're trying to make a point about marginalized demographics."

Oh, hey there PC police, allow me to tell you why you're wrong and why all the support surrounding autism is more damaging than blasely shrugging off autism as non existent.

It's called, expectations. Expectations are really high on anyone who has any gradient of autism, whether it's a trait that has been spun into cognitive existence by the afflicted who has read about it or someone who can be identified by one or more experienced professionals. The expectation is that they have high potential to do something miraculous or grand in the world, not that it is a developmental disability and that it takes longer for them to reach a point where they can be considered an average schmuck, let alone take in their life experience and apply it to what they love.

The expectation that they're quirky, different and just see the world through in another way is also damaging, as going through life it can be especially hard to acquire work and be self-sufficient and find that part in life that states you can juggle what you have, which none of what has been said even implies and even if you have no afflictions what so ever. But, it's temporary, as most things in life have a learning curve, and can be affected by what is currently going on around you. Say for instance, going into the workforce for the first time when where you live has an extremely high unemployment rate. You will feel like you need to strap on your boots and get ready to slog through a lot of shit just to stand in a working pile of shit that has a high chance of sending you off again on your journey to slog through a lot of shit. And that is if you do not have the potential of moving due to obligations/funds which takes planning and as well as experience to do. The anxiety can be summed up as strolling through a covered bridge underneath a crumbling cliff. You know something bad can happen and you know something will happen but you just don't know exactly what will come through and simply have no way to see until a few holes are present.

Now with autism, and a lot of other cognitive, emotional and mental afflictions and impairments, you're going to be dealing with the questions of why your emotions feel out of place in regards to others around you. You're going to feel vulnerable because of this and you're going to feel every reason to crawl under a boulder supported by a one inch wooden plank. If it happens, it happens. The worst part is? There is no one to emphasize with you on your struggles. There is no one there to say "I understand what it feels like to not understand a motivation and having questions regarding what to do" only "you can do it!! ^ _ ^" and that is either followed by "You're smart! You can do it! ^ _ ^ \//m" or "God damn you're fucking retarded."

This leaves you with two options. Take the support as fruitful, sincere and thought out and be confident about yourself to attempt to join the work force with the prospect that nothing bad will happen to you and in the long run most likely end up an out cast and homeless -OR- allow yourself to wallow in what everyone thinks is depression, slacking and ungrateful hedonistic platitudes to find closure to problems that you may or may not have someone around to help you through with.

So yeah. It's pretty fucking hard with out the knowledge that you're most likely stuck where you are until you fucking die while on SSDI.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
@ROUS
"Oh my god, you've gone Full Sparrow.

ANIME PEDO! (bell gong) SHAME! (bell gong) SHAME!

Caminante isn't a pedo, we would have rooted him out a long time ago if he was. Stop being an asshole."

Kind of doubt that, but what evs.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-19
I saw the movie twice. It's a lot of fun.

>>>They, as in the people in the entertainment press and so on, are calling the million boxoffice GB2016 did "OK" but it's doing no better than the similarly budgeted Independence Day: Resurgence, which is widely accepted as a bomb.

It's almost as if a film's overall performance over several months can't be judged entirely from the first weekend.

The numbers were actually good, except in relation to what the picture cost. Sony says there's definitely going to be a sequel (which doesn't make it true, of course) If they beefed up the story and cut back on the budget, maybe they could make this franchise pay.

Mothers are going to buy the DVDs for their daughters. A whole lot of girls are going to grow up watching this. Hope they manage to not be assholes about it.

Anaxagoras - 2016-07-19
I like your posts, JHM. Please keep making them.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-19
That's very appreciated, Anax.

Gmork - 2016-07-19
Joe, take your meds.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-20
Hey Gmork, not a single thing I stated made it an option to not take your meds. What I listed could be paraphrased by Fugazi's "Waiting Room". So kindly take that thinly veiled 'tl;dr' disguised as being above someone and shove it back up your ass.

Gmork - 2016-07-20
It's less of a "tl;dr" and more of an "oh my god, you're frothing at the mouth and it's not a good look for you" kinda thing.

Gmork - 2016-07-20
Also: I have very little opinion on Caminante other than he likes a lot of really bad anime. I didn't pay enough attention to him to gather that he's a sexist, although you apparently care enough about what he says to make that inference.

I don't have to say anything about him, and ignoring him doesn't make me automatically agree with him, you crampon.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-21
"It's less of a "tl;dr"....

Also: I have very little opinion on Caminante other than he likes a lot of really bad anime...."

Dumb

"It's less of a "tl;dr" and more of an "oh my god, you're frothing at the mouth and it's not a good look for you" kinda thing.

Also: I have very little opinion on Caminante other than he likes a lot of really bad anime. I didn't pay enough attention to him to gather that he's a sexist, although you apparently care enough about what he says to make that inference."

Spineless

"I don't have to say anything about him, and ignoring him doesn't make me automatically agree with him, you crampon."

Piece of shit.

You honestly expect anyone to believe you when you back pedaled about this shit being about the video and not the poster? It's a good thing telling you to take your meds wouldn't bother you at all because you're too much of a piece of shit to go through anything intensive.

Gmork - 2016-07-21
Shoebox Joe used "Ad Hominem"

It was super effective!

No, but seriously - you're dumber than a bag of rocks if you think (A) my opinion is anything other than what I've said or (B) that I've backpedaled in any way.

I'm honestly flabbergasted at the way you twist reality to fit your own narrative. You give EH a run for his money.

::popcorn::

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-21
Oh hey, Gmork used being a thin skinned high school drop out

It was who gives a shit. It's difficult as is it to not give him a handful of candy and call him a retard and hope he goes into the other room. But no, he doesn't. He wants more. He's greedy. He's a greedy retard and knows there's more. You could give him the last of the Runts or that other candy that has that one slogan "don't eat this if you're black" but he'll just stand there thinking you're holding out. It's difficult as it is, but every time you're resisting the urge to call him a retard, you try to resist because it means you've given up. It's what he would do to you because he doesn't know any better, but you can't give up. You can't let that get to you and make you give up.

Gmork - 2016-07-21
**munch munch**

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-21
Go play with your Pokemon Gmork. Shoebox is tired.

Gmork - 2016-07-21
Swing and a miss.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-21
No, not a swing and a miss. There was no tangible argument to use that on that statement. This is why you're told not to use dank memes. You don't know how to use them, and if you don't know how to use them then you won't know how to not use them. You can't be yourself if you don't know what you're doing. And that's important if you want to make real friends. You can't make real friends if you don't know how to use a response correctly.

Please, just go and play Pokemon. You know how those monsters faint when they lose and just need some R&R? Well that's what I need. My bed is the monster center and I need to sleep.

Gmork - 2016-07-21
It was definitely a swing and a miss - I hate pokemon. Also, "dank memes"? No thanks. I find anyone who uses that terminology, much less the memes themselves, to be deplorable.

Caminante Nocturno - 2016-07-21
I would like to point out that all of the anime I watch is actually very good.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-21
Gmork, calm down. Calm down Gmork. It's called a diss. A diss doesn't require specific knowledge. A diss can evolve into a burn.

And it's okay to love Pokemon, Adventure Time or My Little Pony or what ever. It's like being an inflationist, you don't have to hide it. Just be yourself Gmork. Just be yourself.

Gmork - 2016-07-22
"No, not a swing and a miss. There was no tangible argument to use that on that statement."

That's your idea of a diss?

Anaxagoras - 2016-07-18
Yeah, I gotta agree with SolRo. This latest shtick is pretty tedious, Caminante.

Stars are for the Red Letter Media guys. Usually they would get 5 stars, but their preoccupation with 1984 Ghostbusters wore thin.

"What is this movie trying to *say*?????" Well guys, from what I've read, it's not trying to say anything in particular. It's just trying to be funny. What was Monty Python and the Holy Grail trying to say? Not much, other than general silliness. (And a lot of cleverness) Ditto here. If you want to bash the movie based on its general corporate whore-dom, or its mediocre jokes, or the actors' performances, great. Go nuts. Those criticisms are interesting. (And they did offer plenty of those types of criticisms.) But whining about a comedy's lack of message? Whatever.
Xenocide - 2016-07-18
How far up your own ass do you have to be to think Ghostbusters ever had anything to "Say?" They got some genius comedians together and had them quip their way through a wacky spook hunt. That's more than enough, it doesn't also need to teach you the meaning of life.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
Did either of you watch their review of the 1984 Ghostbuster's? I didn't really get anything stating comedy has to have a message and they felt really level in their speculation on the reboot as well as what was originally expected of the first ghostbusters.

So yeah, not really sure about those statements you two are making.

I do agree on their message about comedy requiring a set up and pace to make things work since a huge portion of comedy is context whether relevant or not, but I haven't seen the new Ghostbusters and have no clue if I'll get to it soon.

Rafiki - 2016-07-19
In context, the question of what is the movie trying to say or what is the point is relating to Mike saying *IF* this movie is supposed to be some kind of feminist empowerment movie that's supposed to inspire girls (see: the controversy after the original trailer), then what's the message? If there is no message and is just silly and meaningless, then it fails in that respect. But that's only if that's what the movie is trying to be.

Skip to 32:25 for that part of the review.

Anaxagoras - 2016-07-19
Yeah, Rafiki referenced the part of this review I was talking about.

And I think it's pretty clear that this Ghostbusters wasn't trying to be a feminist manifesto. (except by virtue of its very existence.) That's why I found Red Letter's complaints about meaning to be pretty lame: the movie was just trying to be funny & silly. It was the marketing & the general society that was trying to infuse meaning in this movie.

kamlem - 2016-07-19
If the reboot has removed the EPA as the human bad guys interfering with the affairs of private business I will be outraged.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
Thanks. Rafiki.

Yeah, I agree with you for the most part Anax. but I don't think they're saying that the comedy in the movie has to have a message. I think that they're pointing out the unfortunate pratfall of a movie aimed to be successful and also stands up on a (should not be) controversial dilemma. They're not talking about the comedy itself in the movie, but just the act of rebooting a franchise with an all female cast rather than an all male cast.

There was no concern surrounding that in Monty Python's Holy Grail because it was an established comedy troupe that happened to be successful. (They could, however, have put a member's sexuality in the spotlight and I could easily see how it would have hurt their careers, but again, they did nothing daring or even remotely daunting on their careers so there was absolutely nothing controversial about their existence beyond the biggest culprit of the time being the church, and really they did nothing extraordinary there but simply make fun of the existence of religion than go into specific details of a religion.)

All in all, I do think RLM bringing up the question of whether this movie is about female empowerment is dumb and a really dumb comparison in regards to cult hits with female leads (let alone the lackluster list that paints the problematic picture in hollywood), but unfortunately it is a really big dumb and largely unavoidable question due to the hissy fits surrounding the movie concept and I'm assuming they stepped into it as gracefully as the reboot's fanboy antagonist steps into a scene.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
Aw man, too slow. But glad that I'm on the same page in regards to the concerns

namtar - 2016-07-18
Five stars because it seemed like a well thought out review, and to offset SolRo's user-bashing drama.
SolRo - 2016-07-18
I would have given it 5 if pedoturno resisted the urge to put his little MRA quip in the description.

only orcs and bnnr get the auto-1 without watching the video.

namtar - 2016-07-18
I thought the description joke was a reference to the joke at the end in which Mike says he hates Ghostbusters because they're women.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
Not with Caminante. He thinks it's a dog whistle political move.

Mancakes - 2016-07-19
Fuck all your drama. Rating the bullshit.

lotsmoreorcs - 2016-07-19
SolRod you mention me in like every video it's getting fucking sad at this point you cuckold nigger faggot

Sexy Duck Cop - 2016-07-19
lotsmoreorcs is the Ramsay Bolton of this site: His trolling is trying so hard, so desperately hard, that you go from hating him to pitying him and the back to hating him.

Gmork - 2016-07-21
Hey Joe - an _actual_ racist is present saying _actually_ racist things. Maybe spend your spittle-flecked rages on someone like him, who actually deserves your attentions.

Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-21
Hey Gmork. Quit being a fucking pussy. Lotsmoreorcs has done sleazey shit in the past and whether them and Bennr are out of it, I do not know, but I have my guard up with them.

Also, a bunch of slurs out of the blue does not have the same pairing as stating that you hate it when the transgendered are not upfront with their previous gender and can be an aware and acknowledged projection to weed out spineless pansies like you

StanleyPain - 2016-07-19
I'm glad Jay brought up the point that people like me have been making for awhile now which is: you can't really do some "grrl power" nerd girl feminist bullshit reboot to a film that was never remotely some male power fantasy film to begin with. If you did a reboot of Rambo with "Jane Rambo" or something you *might* have some kind of point, but the original Ghostbusters was pretty short on overt action and even the climax was literally just the guys coming up with an idea to beat Gozer and then doing it and that was it. The proton packs are in the movie for like 5 minutes total and they don't run around a Michael Bay-verse of fucking explosions and kung fu bullshit to get things done. The characters in the original GB are just schlubs doing their thing and their gender isn't even remotely a fucking factor. So, congrats internet shitheads on not actually understanding anything about feminism.
BHWW - 2016-07-19
They, as in the people in the entertainment press and so on, are calling the million boxoffice GB2016 did "OK" but it's doing no better than the similarly budgeted Independence Day: Resurgence, which is widely accepted as a bomb. ID:R will at least get a release in China and a chance at some of those sweet China bucks, which GB is closed off from thanks to the old laws about not showing films that encourage superstition or something like that. Plus there's the embarrassment of debuting in second place to an indifferently-reviewed cartoon movie about pets that's in its second week of release.

The studio needed 0 million for this movie to be a viable kickoff for a new franchise so...hm. Which is as they said in the video, what it's really all about. The Sony suits wanting to create a real franchise from its IP, something it's been failing at generally. They want a real moneymaker like Disney/Marvel's turning using their comic book IP to develop a "cinematic universe" that's become a license to print money. Sony folks tried that with their Amazing Spiderman and bungled it so badly the best they could salvage from it was working out a deal with Disney to loan out Spiderman like he was an entertainer for children's birthday parties.

The original Ghostbusters was lightning in a bottle: a perfect confluence of a good script, a bunch of funny actors with good chemistry, and a legitimately original idea. There's really nothing about it that suggests the possibility of turning into a huge cinematic franchise. They couldn't even do it with the original cast in the very so-so sequel so there's no reason for anyone to think they could do it with a whole new cast. But this seems particularly inept.

Paul Feig was a somewhat better than average TV writer who made a few "funny lady" comedies that did alright but he's a particularly poor choice for a summer blockbuster of this sort. Injecting this sort of grrl power nerd-girl "feminism Lite" into it was an odd choice and Feig & co doubling down with bitchy snark when criticized only galvanized some of the initial hostility. I mean, yeah there were going to be a some guys who took it too far and the people who blab "IT'S GOING TO RUIN MY CHILDHOOD" are always annoying but I think it's fair to say a significant portion of the people who had negative impressions of this film from the trailers and clips aren't a legion of basement-dwelling losers still living with their parents at age 45, or whatever. I think it's safe to assume a lot of people just thought this looked like a bad movie.

Sexy Duck Cop - 2016-07-19
All of your opinions are due to hating women. There are no rational reasons to dislike anything about this movie. Also, you are probably racist and homophobic as well.

StanleyPain - 2016-07-19
Well, obviously.

Rodents of Unusual Size - 2016-07-19
I'm disappointed in the fact that they had a female cast and didn't use their talents enough. There was a LOT of talent going into this thing, but they just didn't have a very good script. And if they'd tried to focus on gags that worked and shown us more in terms of character I could have really loved it.

I think their best point was that they didn't show the Ghostbusters actually getting popular, the mayor just says they are but there's no freaking montage. My idea for the script would have been to mimic the old series but reverse it a bit, and make one of the Ghostbusters a mirror of Bill Murray's character, make her really sex crazy for really hot guys but make her a bit of a player so she's only using the Ghostbusters to get laid and make money. I think that would have been a really hilarious plotline and they didn't go with it.

Sexy Duck Cop - 2016-07-19
Yes but then the director of this hilarious, lighthearted comedy would say that you hate half the planet for no goddamned reason and you have a small dick and no one will ever love a bitter little MRA piece of shit failure like you and by the way, ARE YOU READY TO LAUGH????

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-19
>>> I think it's fair to say, a significant portion of the people who had negative impressions of this film from the trailers and clips aren't a legion of basement-dwelling losers still living with their parents at age 45, or whatever. I think it's safe to assume a lot of people just thought this looked like a bad movie.

Sure, but those aren't the people who have been stinking up the internet, posting negative video after negative video, spamming IMDB with one star votes, and , just lately, sending cruel racist tweets to the film's African American star. When you don't think a movie looks good, you leave a snarky comment and go on.

Also, when you don't think the trailer looks good, you don't talk about the feminist agenda, or call everyone who disagrees with you an "SJW", or a "cuck"

Here's a tip: If you haven't been overtly misogynist in your criticism, feel free to assume that they're talking about the many many people who have been misogynist as hell, and not about you. Occasionally, someone may confuse you with one of the bad ones, even though you're one of the good ones. Here's a tip: GROW A PAIR!

The most disgusting part of all this is how fast these shits fly into self-pity when someone dares to criticize their vile hater monkeyshines. In record time, they always manage to bring the narrative around to how they're the ones being picked onIt was "uncalled for" when, after months of trolling, Melissa McCarthy made fun of them, and they're forever simpering and whining about being "labelled a misogynist" like it was the worst thing that could happen to someone. It's why they call them "man-babies".

I personally try to avoid that sort of rhetoric. When you're being an asshole, it seems pointless to argue about WHY you're being an asshole, or WHAT KIND OF ASSHOLE you're being. It completely looks like misogyny, surely you can see that? But, sure, when it comes to the human mind, Occam's razor doesn't always cut it.

BHWW - 2016-07-19
You know it's going to be a good RLM review when Stoklasa starts getting drunk. Especially here, on the mystically energized Crystal Skull vodka.
namtar - 2016-07-19
I was actually surprised they said it was good vodka.

I've never had it, but I assumed it was mostly just a gimmick and probably wasn't very good.

StanleyPain - 2016-07-19
It better be good, that shit is crazy expensive.

kingarthur - 2016-07-19
You know what? I went to see this and, despite it being a pretty much beat for beat remake of the original with far less superior screenwriting, I still had fun. I laughed and enjoyed Kate McKinnon and Leslie Jones and the special fx were done in a really cool way with the bioluminescent lighting for the ghosts. So, it gets a solid B from me.
EvilHomer - 2016-07-19
42:46 - 42:58.

Withholding stars until I hear JHM's review of the film.
Sexy Duck Cop - 2016-07-19
44:43

chumbucket - 2016-07-19
I was entertained by this movie, I think that's all it set out to do...entertain me. Just me.
Maggot Brain - 2016-07-19
Paul Feig was a bad choice of director. He's a mid spring, light comedy kind of guy, not the kind of director that you give a big tent pole project to.
Shoebox Joe - 2016-07-19
I wonder how many of you actually went out and watched it and are not just nodding your heads on RLM's cocks and going "totally agree, what you say makes sense. The movie is terrible"

because I haven't heard a peep about Star Wars The Force Awakens, but heard plenty of "This is a SJW cash grab."
John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-19
There are five things that I like better about the new Ghostbusters.

1. This time, they actually fight some ghosts. They don't just solve everything by "crossing the streams"

2. Better ensemble writing. The old Ghostbusters was consciously written around Venkman. He had the jokes. The majority of Ramis and Akroyd's lines were exposition (which they delivered beautifully) Ernie Hudson seems to be there for the sake of one philopsophical discussion.

This is very standard 80s comedy stuff. From "Animal House" to "Private Parts", every comedy was about a (male) comic hero who PLAYS BY HIS OWN RULES, (Fletch, Stripes, Beverly Hills Cop) Ghostbusters suffers a great deal from this dated comic device.

In the new one, the four main characters interact a lot more naturally

3. This one doesn't have a mean streak. The original definitely does. If you remember, when we first peter venkman, he's literally torturing a male stiudent with electric shocks, while trying to scam a female student into sex. I could go on about this one. Maybe some other time.

4. Better effects, including the best 3D effects I've ever seen.

5. Katherine McKinnon.

6. DANCING!

Gmork - 2016-07-19
Are you shitting me?

EvilHomer - 2016-07-20
That sounds terrible, John. You actually just made this movie sound worse than RLM did.

Five stars!

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-20
Fine. Doesn't make you a misogynist, okay?

EvilHomer - 2016-07-20
It's just that you're basically confirming everything RLM says, both about this movie and about the original. The only difference is, you say you're entertained by this kind of stuff, and alienated by anything more highbrow.

Nominal - 2016-07-19
The real moral is that improv comedy is terrible.
Rafiki - 2016-07-19
^winner

There are rare exceptions to this, like Albert Brooks on the Simpsons.

Bort - 2016-07-19
Haven't seen it so I can't say, but yeah, improv is a risky thing to pin a blockbuster on.

"Parks and Recreation" also involved some amount of improv, but the difference is, there was a fine-tuned script first and then they'd give the actors the chance to ad lib AFTER they'd done the script. If the ad libbing worked, they kept it, such as here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LinpRhB4aWU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ISkJuTUpJI

Nominal - 2016-07-20
Ad lib is a spice you sprinkle on an already solid main course script. Improv comedy is like eating spoonfuls of cinnamon.

There's this big trend in comedies lately to go all mumblecore on the entire genre. I didn't see a single joke in the trailer that wasn't "awkward moment that causes dialog to trail off". I'm almost starting to think it's an intentional appeal to the stunted social interaction skills of the social media generation.

If more than half of the dialog in your script ends in ellipses or hyphens, you should probably take a step back and reconsider.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-20
You know, one of the screenwriters here is credited with seven episodes of Parks and Recreation.

I don't know how much improv you can do with all those effects.

Bort - 2016-07-20
The RLM guys are saying the new Ghostbusters don't have any motivations. When I watch P&R, or "Community", one of the great things is that they bother to tell a story with a satisfying conclusion. It's very often something along the lines of:

- Something is bothering the main character, who devises a plan to get what he or she wanted.

- Main character pulls off plan successfully.

- Main character realizes that success is unrewarding, because they took shortcuts to get there and there were unintended consequences.

- Main character has to fix what he or she screwed up, and finally there is satisfaction -- the fixing of the shortcuts proves to be more important than the original goal, and the original goal may not even be achieved.

While that's not a structure for every good story out there, if you're feeling like your story is light on structure, consider the above a decent framework to play with.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-19
>>>>>Jay brought up the point that people like me have been making for awhile now which is: you can't really do some "grrl power" nerd girl feminist bullshit reboot to a film that was never remotely some male power fantasy film to begin with. some male power fantasy film to begin with.

Of course it was! It just wasn't about male power in relation to women, it was about male power in relation to men. It was about confronting your enemy in front of the mayor, and humiliating him by saying he has no dick. Later, as you win your greatest triumph, your enemy is buried under a ton of marshmallow bukkake.

There's a story going around that all the men in this movie are creepy are stupid. Its not especially true, and it's not at all true in relation to these guys:

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ca28/t414um52flljiaz6g.jpg

I love that the new movie doesn't need to dispense comeuppance. It makes it a lot more fun.

If you can't wrap your head around the idea that having women in a movie doesn't automatically make it "grrl power nerd girl feminist bullshit", well it's a little harsh to say that you hate women, but it's not at all harsh to say that's sexism. I see for the first time just how prevalent that is. I'll say what everybody else who saw it said, the agenda is pure entertainment. It genuinely saddens me that this is so hard a sell.
Gmork - 2016-07-19
You have got to be trolling.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-20
Your argument would be more compelling if it contained an argument..

Nominal - 2016-07-20
Calling JHM the Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf of Tumblr was the most apt dis I've ever read here.

John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-20
I've never been on Tumblr.

Nikon - 2016-07-19
Skipping this movie was the right move.
John Holmes Motherfucker - 2016-07-19
I feel the same way about having skipped the video.

William Burns - 2016-07-24
You missed out on a great video!

memedumpster - 2016-07-20
Haha, Rich the had the Battlestar Galactica Mormon death experience!
Accidie - 2016-07-20
Remember when everybody hated re-makes because they were re-makes and that made them bad by default?
memedumpster - 2016-07-20
Mr. Aykroyd, today I read that you said the following about the racist mysoginist screaming man-baby-strained-peas-shit-storm targeting Leslie Jones :

“I would say you’re looking at obese white men between 50 and 60 who are active Klan members or member of the Aryan Nation and there are millions of them.”

You have outed yourself, sir, and I now know you are a member of this site.

I love your work.

Just wanted to say that.
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