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Desc:Babylon 5's Mr Garibaldi
Category:Classic TV Clips, Religious
Tags:rip, babylon 5, Gone too soon
Submitted:bawbag
Date:07/31/16
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Rangoon
Jerry Doyle spent a decade as a stockbroker on Wall Street before starting his career in acting. When told he needed a resume, he decided to make one up with fake credits - one of which being a member of the "Dance Theatre of Harlem".

No one ever questioned him on the matter and the rest is history.
John Holmes Motherfucker
Bullshit is the most primal form of acting.

Nominal
This is the 5th major cast member to die prematurely (age 60) after the show ended.

Dr Franklin died of fucked up heart shit at age 44.

G'Kar died of cancer at age 60.

Zack died of "pneumonia" at age 60.

Sinclair died of a heart attack at age 60.


Holy fucking shit. What kind of asbestos were they using on that station? The B5 men either succumb to cancer or have their hearts explodes the instant they turn 60.
Bort
One of them should have simply disappeared without a trace.

Rodents of Unusual Size
I had no idea Jeff Conaway or the guy who played Franklin died.

I always wanted Andreas Katsulas to get more roles. I thought he was amazing. Same goes for Jerry Doyle. At least Mira Furlan is still getting work these days. I think she's the only one.

Shit this is sad. Also, which actor disappeared?

Rodents of Unusual Size
Sorry, I misread that. Who should have disappeared without a trace?

Bort
The fourth one, of course.

Only to reappear mysteriously some years later and then go back in time to start the whole time loop.

garcet71283
Sinclair disappeared, then reappeared in a halfway house then died.

Very sad story. http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=150058

godot
His post Babylon 5 career as a conservative talk radio host lessens my sorrow.
garcet71283
Because people who hold different opinions than you deserve to die?

William Burns
I've never watched Babylon 5. I love TOS, I like TNG, I love DS9 and I think Voyager sucks ass. SG-1 is terrible, Farscape is neat but mostly annoying and Lex is pretty good.

Will I enjoy Babylon 5?
Bobonne
It's weak in season one, good in 2-4, and shit in 5.

Overall a pretty fun series.

Bootymarch
B5 gets so good you might like DS9 a little less after you watch it.

bawbag
^This is very much the case. Love both shows but while DS9 was in a long boring phase at the time, B5 moved on from monster of the week episodes to some excellent -for the time- storylines!

The CGI has not aged well in B5, that can put off a new viewer but stick with it.

memedumpster
I agree with the B5 > DS9 sentiment. I am actually curious about rewatching B5 myself.

Just don't expect it to be Lexx, the human heart can't take that kind of breaking.

Bort
The biggest problem with B5 reruns is that you can't see it for the first time a second time. You can't rewatch it with the same sense of "how the hell are they going to get out of this?"

I still prefer DS9 all in all.

memedumpster
Thanks to alcoholism, oh yes I can!

Superpower!

Bort
Spoiler: they beat the Shadows by all going to church and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

garcet71283
Drunk again uncle Michael?

baleen
I enjoyed Babylon 5 more than TNG. I think it had a lot to do with the lighting and art direction. Star Trek was annoyingly pristine to me. Bab 5 also had a race of rotting carrion eaters that looked like squids. They tried really hard to get away from the People With Various Ridges on Their Faces model of alien.

Nominal
B5 vs DS9

Acting: DS9 edges out ahead of B5 only because the latter had a couple weak links like Claudia Christine dragging it down.

Sets: B5 blew DS9 out of the water in this department. B5 actually felt like a huge space station. DS9 felt like nothing existed outside the bridge, the bar, and corridors.

Plots: DS9 had a couple good standalone episodes, but the overall plot of B5 was much more interesting and better handled. Strange that both shows went with "Character undergoes transformation into another race and then bones their sworn enemy".

Space scenes: The cgi of B5 has aged a lot worse, but the direction, flow, and tension of the battles were a hell of a lot better. DS9 was the cast pretending to shake while spewing techno babble which would eventually, magically resolve the battle. That worked for past Treks when the battles weren't the point, but when DS9 tried to ape B5 with its own version of the shadow war, the battles became the point and the old trek shit just didn't cut it.

Bort
"when DS9 tried to ape B5 with its own version of the shadow war"

There was never any such thing. There was a war with the Dominion / Cardassians, but that was a conventional war of competing empires rather than being caught between warring angels and demons (figuratively speaking). And really, how do you introduce a new sector of space with its own empire and NOT go to war with them? Story-wise, it's a nearly irresistible proposition.

memedumpster
To me, the Dominion War was about the Cardassians. The evolution of their alliances, society, and politics during the war was pretty close to the level of character development all the aliens got to have in B5. If the Romulans, Federation, Breen, Ferengi, Klingons, Founders, Jem Hadar, and others had been written to have as big a shift in culture as Cardassia, it would have been B5 levels of attention. Every alien had its day in B5, which I really liked.

Bort
Gul Dukat was the Michael Scott of the Cardassian Empire, gripped with a pathetic need to be loved rather than doing his job well.

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=139825

"When I grow up I'm going to conquer a hundred Bajorans ..."

memedumpster
He was never completely satisfied with Cardassian life, and his daughter was a symbol of that to him. She represented genetically what he felt socially, torm between two torn apart worlds.

Compare Cardassian culture to the Klingons, where a houseless dog like General Martok can rise from nothing to everything just by being a badass. Dukat was an entitled slaver (he had leverage only over the Bajor-animal and was screwed over by the home office) forced to turn reformer forced to turn religious dichotomy. His power grew in magnitude, but only slid laterally in personal control. In the end, just like everyone else, he only served an alien causality bound by proximity to his broken dreams.

The Wormhole Aliens really ruled the two quadrants.

Bort
Dukat wanted to not just be obeyed by the Bajorans, but to be appreciated. He was more merciful than the governor he succeeded, but as we saw on more than a few occasions, he expected the Bajorans to cheer him for it, both publicly and on the individual level. And when he realized, sometime after his daughter's death, that the Bajorans would never love and adore him, he decided it was time to let the place burn.

There's a good contrast with Sisko in there that the show never bothered to make. Sisko just showed up to do his job, he didn't want to be loved, he merely wanted to help Bajor get back on its feet. No matter how fucked up the Bajoran people were, they still couldn't make him turn his back on them. And of course, being a religious icon who didn't preach humility but lived it ... after a while Sisko became the most beloved man on Bajor. Dukat had to find that infuriating.

http://www.brandonbird.com/of_bajor.html

Squeamish
I love this show, but I'm not happy with the way it's killing off its cast members.

The day Peter Jurasik dies will be a dark day indeed.
Hugo Gorilla
This is missing my favorite Garibaldi moment where he and Delenn are watching a Duck Dodgers cartoon and eating popcorn. Garibaldi is gawfing and shoveling popcorn into his mouth. Delenn smiled politely and picked at a single kernel.
Bort
There are no best Garibaldi moments. Garibaldi is the answer to the question, "What if we had Bruce Willis but with no charisma?" Look, Garibaldi likes Daffy Duck! And now Garibaldi is wearing a hat!

Sorry, was never a Garibaldi fan.

Nominal
Wasn't post Die Hard Bruce Willis Bruce Willis but with no charisma?

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