Oh, I can imagine a few people might have fallen for Sony's tricks.

A few sad, sad people.

I'm prepared to accept that Sony was deleting generally negative comments on the youtube trailer and leaving the insane woman-hating comments as a marketing strategy - despite the fact that that's kind of clever and Sony film executives are some of the dumbest motherfuckers alive - but these guys are unguardedly insinuating that it *might* have actually got the most thumbs-down votes in youtube history on its own lack of merit, rather than being specifically targeted by blubbering neckbeards and their downvote bots, which is just fucking dumb. It was merely embarrassing and terrible, not the worst video ever. The conspirational tone they take when they say that Sony stuffed the early screening with people likely to respond positively to the film - like studios don't do that with every fucking nerd film - is embarrassing. I haven't seen the film, and I'm not going to, because it looks shit.

At least it indirectly got milo yiannopoulos banned from twitter for sending racist, sexist abuse at one of the stars of the film tho. I think Sony marketing might have gone a little far there.

The organized racist and misogynistic attacks against this piece of shit movie gave it a reason to live. They were truly awful, and there was no reason for it.

I read a bunch of the shit on 8chan about this, the coordination of the spamming and "trolling," if calling a woman a fat stupid nigger monkey could be called trolling and not just being a "shitty racist," as well as Milo's pledges for his fans to orchestrate the attacks. I can't blame the producers for wanting to turn a bloodbath into money, especially when they knew they had spent a fortune on a heap of shit.

I think the altright won this round though, because the media reacted in the completely wrong way out of fear of being called sexist/Sony was paying them. I picked up the hurting of the "highly paid actresses" thing; that comes right from the mouth of Milo Y, so Redletter really just lost a few pegs for me.

I was wholly ready to give this movie a fair shot until it became clear the studio and Feig were blatantly attempting to manipulate the audience by pre-emptively calling you sexist manchildren for disliking it. I can't express in words how shitty that is. Nothing murders comedy faster than guilt and politics.

Ghostbusters is supposed to be fun, innocent escapism, the exact sort of thing you watch to escape the unbearably tedious gender politics the Internet can't stop jerking itself off to these days. Neither Feig nor Sony cared. They literally said "either you like our movie or you're disgusting pig". As an audience member, this is clumsy and offensive in equal measure, and I will never, ever see this movie as a result.

@poorwill The new Call of Duty trailer has three times as many dislikes as the Ghostbusters trailer.

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I have no trouble imagining it, unfortunately.

Anyway, the marketing strategy of this movie and the inevitable neckbeard backlash is pretty much exactly the same way the DNC got Trump the nomination. Except I'm still not cynical enough to be convinced the DNC wanted trump (although they did have the hubris to think he was unelectable, so I wouldn't put it past them).

But really, it's uncanny how closely the Ghsotbusters rollout mirrors the primaries.


Much like how the MRA-bashing people like that We Hunted the Mammoth guy were one of the best things to happen to the MRA movement because it fed their sense of persecution and galvanized them.


The moral that everyone should take away from this kind of thing, but no-one ever does, is that belittling and dehumanizing your opponents is a self defeating strategy and if you do it you might as well join them.

Who we SHOULD be dehumanizing is the Sony Corporation, trying to play humans against each other for free media presence. Fuck you Sony, at least Nintendo's bringing nerds together with social media.

Ha ha, can you imagine being so angry about a studio casting women in a movie that you hatch these incredibly elaborate Alex Jones-level conspiracy theories to try to paint them as pure evil.

No one tell these guys that one of Sony's top execs has already said they're making a sequel, or half of POETV's heads will explode after six hours of collective screaming.

NOBODY'S ANGRY AT THE STUDIO FOR CASTING WOMEN. We all enjoy movies with women. For years, all scifi fans have enjoyed movies with women with no complaints.

Watch the video. .08% of the comments on youtube garnered 100% of the media attention. How did that happen. It's not a conspiracy, it's viral marketing and it happens all the fucking time.

Sony literally gave MRAs preference on platforms they controlled while censoring legit criticisms of their movie, in order to trick idiots into thinking the Ghostbusters remake was a political cause. This is not theory, it's DOCUMENTED IN THIS VIDEO.

Marketing, viral and otherwise is hardly a conspiracy - it can help shape perceptions and so many people are susceptible to it - some of the most vulnerable targets of marketing who consider themselves immune because they disdain marketing campaigns not aimed at their demographic but will fall for the right approach. You don't have to convince everybody, just enough people.

They did the same with Mad Max. Both Reddit meninist cockroaches and Tumblr dye-their-underarm-hair-blue types are very easy-to-manipulate masses of people, apparently. I thought Mad Max was barely above mediocre, for the record.

I think the reason Mad Max was received so well is simply because it was competent in what it set out to do, and being mediocre (yuk yuk) in a sea of terrible made it good by comparison.

Sounds like something a whiny cis-gendered white mysoginist would say!

Mad Max was the best action movie since Robocop.

I like how their entire point just flew completely over your head.

I also like how you're bringing them being white into the conversation, because fuck it, this vaguely sounds like a good time to say it.

Please explain how "the movie came off as bad no filter improv" is either nitpicky or "basement dwelling".

One man's scritique is another man's whiney nitpicking. The HITB critique started with them telling their viewers to put aside all the neckbeard comments and listen . They then spend the next almost hour making a few good points covered with a thick sheet of the very manbaby bullshit they claimed they'd be avoiding And they are white, just stating a fact.

Manbabies get real upset when you call them manbabies, and their attempts to prove they're not only makes them look like even bigger ones .

But what was sexist about it?

I never said it was sexist . I said it was nitpicky and whiny, which frankly bugs me more.

Why does it bug you? This has literally been their exact shtick for five years.

Nobody calls it whinging when they complain about how Adam Sandler movies are made and its the same damn studio.

This extended whining fit really is embarrassing to watch.

You completely missed the point of everything they were saying.

Disdain for nerd culture? What the fuck are you talking about? They're nerds. Their disdain is aimed at myopic fanboyism.

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I like how you think myopic fanboyism and nerd culture are different.

Science Fiction is probably the least sexist genre out there. Nerd culture is less sexist than the culture at large. That's kinda what makes this conceit that nerds won't accept female protagonists so fucking stupid. Nerd culture GREW UP ON ALIEN. Starship Troopers randomly flipped character genders from the book and the movie is more positively regarded by nerds today than the book! Ect...

As a nerd myself, I can say that my favorite characters in any fandom tend to be female. DC? Harley. X-men? Jubilee. Resident Evil? Rebecca. Mortal Kombat? Kitana. Jhonenverse? Gaz. MLP? Dashie and Maud. etc etc

Give me a good, heartfelt Cynthia Rothrock or Tank Girl movie, and speaking as a red-blooded American nerd, I couldn't be happier.

... but so help me if you turn Tank Girl into a wacky, wise-cracking GCI marsupial.

The marketing was actually a major miscalculation. Before there was an internet, a trailer that doesn't show very much of the cool shit months before the release of the film would have worked a whole lot better than it does now.

"I like how you think myopic fanboyism and nerd culture are different."

And I like how you think they're not. Way to paint a gigantic diverse group of people with a single brush. What does that remind me of... Hmmm...

"gigantic diverse group of people"

Oh heavens, I sure hope I didn't offend any TEDIOUS NERDS.

To be fair, right at the end of the review, RLM admitted they hate women.

>>>I was wholly ready to give this movie a fair shot until it became clear the studio and Feig were blatantly attempting to manipulate the audience by pre-emptively calling you sexist manchildren for disliking it. I can't express in words how shitty that is. Nothing murders comedy faster than guilt and politics.



See, if you didn't want to see the movie, that's cool. If you saw the movie and didn't it, that's cool, too.

But THIS is why they call them MANBABIES. After months of gratuitous attacks on a movie that no one had actually seen, the person whose work is actually being attacked has the temerity to criticize the attackers, and somehow THAT's over the line! Pretty soon the attackers are bringing the narrative around to how THAT MEAN MELISSA MCCARTHY IS PICKING ON US!!!

(Not sure that this applies directly to Sexy Duck Cop, sorry if I misunderstood.)

Ghostbusters got good reviews, and if you check #Ghostbusters on Twitter, you'll see that the film found an audience. There were tweets about sold-out theaters, they just weren't passed around as gleefully as the tweets about empty theaters. I saw it three times, which is two more times than I'll see something to say fuck you to the haters. Kate McKinnon was amazing. I'll see anything she's in from now on. Also the most fun 3D effects I've ever seen.

Yesterday I read an article explaining how the new Ghosbusters really is making money, especially when you consider how the toys are selling, the soundtrack is selling, and sales of the original movies and related titles, which SONY now owns, are surging. I'm sure the Box Office was disappointing, but there's nothing unique about that this summer. The main thing about Ghostbusters was that it probably could have been just as good for a lot less money. After this summer, I expect we won't see blockbuster movies shoving their huge budgets in our faces quite so often.

>>Just looking at the comments here, I'm seeing a bunch of people inexplicably ignoring the 40-minute takedown they did of Ghostbusters that evaluated the film solely on its cinematic merits, and yet there are STILL people playing the whole "they're only saying that because they're white males scared of women" card.

Personally, I can't read anybody's mind over the internet. When someone is being as asshole, I prefer not to speculate about WHY they're being an asshole, or WHAT KIND OF ASSHOLE THEY'RE BEING.

I didn't watch the 40 minute video, so I don't have an opinion about it. See how that works?

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Still, Mr Holmes, I'm glad this movie's marketing helped you get out of your shell a little. Whatever gets you going in the morning - we all need a reason to carry on, sometimes.

Well, Homer, if there's anythnig I enjoy mopre than stuffing burgers in my face, it's the act of mass marketing.

The good thing is, thanks to the wonders of modern technology, you can enjoy both, at the same time!

And Porn!

Did you even watch either of these videos? Can you cite whatever it is you are talking about?

Not the "Jessi" thing, they've had plenty of one-off guests and I don't think Mike offending one of them makes him an MRA.

Looks like that shot of Rich gobbling a twinkie triggered Meme.

"Don't worry, m'gentleman, *I* shall save you! UNHAND FAIR RICHARD, Mike, you cad!"

And anyways, I thought the whole point of Equilibrium was that Big Pharma is a scam, and you SHOULDN'T take your meds, no matter how cool Gun Kata might be?

What? NT

I'm just fucking with the lunatics, Nominal. It's par for this page.

Jessi was a regular, as anyone would know who watched the vids. Calling her one-off is either because they never saw her on the show, or they're being intentionally insulting.

You saw that movie, Homie? Ha! I didn't know the chick in it was the chick from The Proposition until I just looked it up.

Of course I saw that movie, who the hell hasn't? Christian Bale's finest work, next to American Psycho.

Hopefully they will remake it, only with a female lead, and a really shitty script, really shitty director, and really shitty studio behind it. Billion-dollar idea!

Seriously, though. Rich and the twinkie.

Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I believe Equilibrium might have been the very last film I ever saw on VHS.

I've noticed they used to have women in general on the show and now they don't. It's pretty LAME.

Maybe you should try watching it. The video is about Sony's marketing department fabricating a controversy.

Ugh, yeah. That movie looks like a real piece of shit huh?

Note: That first paragraph above is supposed to be a quote.

Looks like I fucked up that link
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I know multiple guys in their mid-to-late 30s who tell me that they patterned the way they interact with women after Peter Venkman in the original Ghostbusters. Venkman comes off as a pretty chill, likable guy in-universe, but it turns out that being a sarcastic asshole is a less effective mating strategy in real life than film would have you believe.

None of that wall of text comes from anywhere but your imagination.

Ghostbusters 2016 sucks for the same reasons that Pixels 2016 sucks, it's a nostalgia-driven cash grab filmed without a script.

If you didn't like Pixels, it's because you're an anti-semite, rite?

>>If you didn't like Pixels, it's because you're an anti-semite, rite?

Of course not. And if you didn't like Ghostbusters, it doesn't mean you're a misogynist. I've said this over and over again, but for fuck's sake, stop pretending that this is what a normal person does when they "don't like a movie". Two weeks before anyone saw Ghostbusters, Mundane Matt uploaded a video entitled, SONY YOU WILL LOSE THIS BATTLE. He must have uoloaded a dozen videos about this movie. Dan Ackroyd said he iked it, and right away at least two videod were released entioled DAN ACKROYD TRIES TO DECIEVE FANS ABOUT NEW GHOSTBUSTERS. Again, this was before anyone had seen the damn thing.

Also, does calling a 150 million dollar investment "a cash grab" really make any sense to you? To me it just seems like gibberish.

You, of all people, would know what gibberish looks like.

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John Holmes Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf

Nominal, I still don't know who that is, and I'm just not curious enough to look it up.

I'm sure that's a devastating insult, Nominal, but an actual reply explaining how this kind of driven mass hating can be equated with "not liking a movie", especially one that no one has seen, or how "cash grab" describes the act of risking 150 million dollars, would be a lot more effective, even if I knew Muhammad bin Blahblah Yadda was.

He was Iraq's Stephen Colbert. Hilarious political commentator. Known for being a complete dingbat with no sense of reality, and never giving up, even when it was clear to the whole world that his side had lost.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

Ouch.

>>Known for being a complete dingbat with no sense of reality, and never giving up, even when it was clear to the whole world that his side had lost.

Only if POETV is "the whole world". It ain't.

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Zero point zero-eight percent.

I'm talking about the content of this video. Have you gone on all this time and still haven't watched it?

It's not a criticism of the Ghostbusters remake. It's about Sony manipulating user feedback and faking reviews, WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY'VE BEEN CAUGHT DOING BEFORE.

Just watch the goddamn video if you're gonna write a novel about it.

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And there are certainly forces at work other than sexism and racism. Above all, I think the economics of you\tube attention whoring come into play.

Sometime roughly around a year ago, YT is supposed to have changed the logarithm to favor more "professional" videos. That's led to a lot of independent creators losing money and views. Attaching themselves to an angry controversy is one of the few ways left to grab a lot of attention, and these days, that means anything to do with Feminism. Oh, and nerd stuff.

Plus, YouTube vloggers weren't constrained by the inconvenient professional ethics against criticisizing a work before anyone has seen it, and that gives them a chance to "scoop" the professionals with speculation and rumor mongering presented as facts.

Youtube completely drove this shitty fake controversy from very early on.

Nice try, but it wasn't YouTube giving preferential treatment to MRA's, it was Sony.

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What the fuck are you talking about?

Also, are you and Evil Homer the same person? That actually makes sense.

Although in one way or another, anyone could be Evil Homer. I'm only about 80 per cent sure I'm not evil Homer.

How am I self-destructing? I'm actually saying things about the topic, and no one is even bothering to argue with me.

Although no one has actually given a reason why, it's possible that I am wrong about the topic. As a metaphor for "being wrong about Ghostbusters", "self-destruction" seems strained way past the breaking point.

Don't know what "meme self-destruction" is supposed to be. Googled it, got some lovely memes about self-destruction.

You talking about memdumpster, maybe?

You've spent a good four hundred hours of your life thinking about, reading about, and writing about this film... and you "don't see the point"?

I get it, though. You've invested a lot in this controversy, and it must be scary to come face-to-face with the fact that it was all for nothing. Sometimes, it's easier not to know.

Don't worry, though, the video's actually not that hard to watch! Scientist Man simply studies the comments, crunches the numbers, and discovers that - even with the allegations of comment-tampering - only about 0.08% of the people who watched the trailer left misogynistic comments. And that's it. That's the reality of this whole controversy. 0.08% of the people who watched the trailer can be said to be misogynsts; 99.92% cannot.

They make a few other points as well - for example, the reprehensible manner in which the studio treated the original cast, the conflicts-of-interest plaguing many reviewers, the hypocritical and relentlessly misandristic counter-narrative being pushed by the corporate media, and how good Leslie Jones was - but basically, all you NEED to know is that this story got started because Sony Pictures noticed 0.08% of Youtube users were somewhat critical of women.

What's that number again, Evilhomer? I forgot.

>>> And that's it. That's the reality of this whole controversy. 0.08% of the people who watched the trailer can be said to be misogynsts; 99.92% cannot.

But the reality of the whole controversy is not enclosed by the youtube comments to the trailer. Ergo... no point.

But , more than that, I have a policy against doing other people's homework assignments. I'll provide links as documentation, but I don't expect the links to make my argument for me.