SolRo has reached the "pretending not to care" phase of his extended meltdown.
SolRo doesn't care if a bully gets a working-class driver fired over nothing. It doesn't fit his political outlook, so he takes pride in not giving a shit.
Technically he can't get fired because he isn't an employee, because that would mean Lyft would have to take on some accountability or even risk.
I hear what you're getting at OZ, but it's okay, SolRo doesn't give a shit.
John Holmes Motherfucker
Well, the passenger is certainly terrible, but what am I supposed to do about it now? Is there some way in which an emotional intestment in the plight of this poor driver going to make the driver's lot better, or make the world a better place in some other way? What I expressly don't give a wet fart about is the righteous indignation of Lauren Southern, a woman who thinks it's cute to disrupt protests against rape, and is somehow, I believe, affiliated with the festering melanoma on the face of society that is brietbart.com.
Years ago, I was criticized by a girlfriend for refusing to to watch the scene of a cat being murdered in "Apt Pupil". She thought it was hypocritical for me to be squeamish about the death of an animal when I watched movies with people killed in them all the time. But that's just the way I respond emotionally to animals. It's got nothing to do with morality or values. I cried more when my favorite cat died than when my grandmother died, but I fully understand and believe that the death of myh grandmother was a bigger deal.
When someone in the YouTube comments section criticized Thunderf00t, who I can't stand, for being overcome by grief at the death of his father, as if this somehow made him less of an atheist, I knew that person was out of line, and I told him so. Yep, I did that; I totally fucking white knighted for Thunderf00t! It was the right thing to do, and II did it. If somebody had some shjt about Catie Wayne. I would have done the same thing, but I might have been madder about it.
I'll freely admit that if this was some leftist's attempt to make an overly broad political point, using the bad behavior of some sociopathic conservative (e.g., Lauren Southern), it's possible that I might actually give a shit, but then, what would THAT be worth? It would be worth exactly one shit, which isn't much.
"I don't care if working people are victimized as long as the aggressor is on my political side." - SolRo
"I support SolRo in this, but here's a long explanation of how I'm not quite as bad." - JHM
"Sure, good for you, but I can't say I'm surprised." - Hazelnut
Hey, Hazelnut: the first step to being less of a little shit is to not misrepresent people when you summarize their positions. Because neither SolRo nor JHM said anything even remotely like what you attributed to them.
John Holmes Motherfucker
I'm perfectly willing to be "as bad as SolRo": I won't presume to speak for SolRo, but I suspect my point works as well for SolRo
It's the video that we're discussing. I don't believe that Lauren Southern's libertarian politics can create a society in which cab drivers (or whatever. We still use cabs in upstate NY) don't have to deal with shitty customers. So I still don't give a shit.
The point isn't that I'm better than SolRo, It's that I'm not as good as Hazlenut, who probably won't read this, as he has already logged off and is on his way to help this poor man.
Well, that brings up a whole host of questions, John. Like:
1) Has Laura Southern ever stated her intention to create a society in which cab drivers don't have to deal with shitty customers?
2) Has any libertarian, ever, stated their intention to create a society in which cab drivers don't have to deal with shitty customers?
3) Is it even *possible* to create a society in which cab drivers don't have to deal with shitty customers?
4) Would it be _desirable_ to create a society in which cab drivers don't have to deal with shitty customers, even if such a thing were possible?
5) How could Laura Southern's actual position - "it's not nice to be shitty towards cab drivers, so please don't do that" - become, in your own mind, "we must create a society in which cab drivers don't have to deal with shitty customers"?
and finally, 6) Following up on 5), what does the fact that you mistakenly parse the former position as the latter, say about the assumptions you yourself have regarding the relationship politics has towards society?
I agree with you, insofar as SolRo has every right "to not give a shit" (a right he evidently waived, as he gives enough of a shit to spite-star this video), but your own posts are quite baffling.
'I think it's fine when people have their livelihoods threaned by absusive people on the political fringe, as long as that fringe is a left wing fringe. Also I'm going to get on my moral high horse if it bothers anyone else.' - JHM
With that said, it's cool, I get where you're coming from. I just think it's weird that you and SolRo *do* care, and react quite harshly, if anyone dares use the forbidden abbreviation "SJW".
John Holmes Motherfucker
Well, the paradox of saying you don't give a shit is built in, isn't it? People use these terms to score points at the expense of communication and thought, specially when they're clickbaiting on youtube.
Let me clear. When you use the term "SJW" I don't give a shit about your opinion, because I fucking hate you so very much. I'm not trying to keep it a secret.
Any man who calls himself a feminist and has any capacity for independent thought is going to have horrible encounters with sanctimonious liberal assholes like this fucking cunt with her criminally stupid problem with bobble heads. But at least the stupid cunt sort cares about something. These little alt-right turds don't have any discernable convictions at all. They're just trolls who have figured out a way to be sanctimonious about trolling.
There's something about people using an ironic term unironically that's just stupid and ugly. And it always sounds like Nazis talking about Jews. Try it sometime. "JEW BERATES LIFT DRIVER". Instant Nazi. Works every time.
And of course, because they're nothing but shitty trolls, they're much more interested in making me angry than in convincing me of anything. So big win, guys! So everybody's angry and Donald Trump may become president, and we're all going down the shitter so you can get more youtube views, you narcissistic piece of shit.
So yeah, it's THAT kind of not giving a shit. Happy to clear that up.
Well, I could point out that "the alt-right", however you'd like to define this group, does indeed have convictions; at least as many convictions as "the SJWs", and one would have to be almost completely insulated within the confines of one's own echo-chamber to miss this. I could also point out that the word "troll" is one of the most blatantly overused, and I would even argue dangerous, buzzwords thrown around these days. "Troll" has now apparently come to mean "anyone who expresses viewpoints I disagree with", and in so doing, implies that any disagreement MUST arise out of insincerity and malice, rather than principle. It can't possibly be that a human mind might exist outside the confines of your own favorite echo-chamber, or even that you yourself might be the one who is incorrect! - no, no, people who disagree with you on fundamental issues cannot be genuine people, they must be merely doing "a thing" to piss you off.
I could raise either point and discuss them with you, but I don't think that is even necessary, because... well, WHAT "alt-right troll"? Who? Where?
The only "alt-right" person on this entire website (lurkers notwithstanding) is Orcs. I am still not convinced Mr Orcs is a troll, and at any rate he has not even commented on this video, so... what exactly are you talking about, John?
I think - and I am just going to throw this out there, let me know if I'm on-track - I think that this latest post of yours is simply one more example of "your pattern". Just as with that video last week - where for no reason whatsoever you started a massive argument with phantasmal Ghostbusters MRAs - I think you have internalized these "identities" and "culture wars" that our corporate-controlled society has sold to you, to the point where you are now "seeing" threats to your identity literally everywhere you go. I imagine it is akin to having a really bad case of chronic acid flashbacks; on one level you know that the world is stable and rational and still chugging along, but the MRAs and the Socialists and the whatever-else-you-hates are always lurking there, there in your head, right behind your eyeballs.
John Holmes Motherfucker
>>>Well, I could point out that "the alt-right", however you'd like to define this group, does indeed have convictions; at least as many convictions as "the SJWs", and one would have to be almost completely insulated within the confines of one's own echo-chamber to miss this.
Saying that you could point something out is not the same as pointing something out. Are you trying to make up your mind? I feel like I should encourage you to take the plunge, be a man of action, and commit to the act of actually saying something. I just hope you'll leave me out of it.
>>I would even argue dangerous, buzzwords thrown around these days. "Troll" has now apparently come to mean "anyone who expresses viewpoints I disagree with", and in so doing, implies that any disagreement MUST arise out of insincerity and malice, rather than principle. It can't possibly be that a human mind might exist outside the confines of your own favorite echo-chamber, or even that you yourself might be the one who is incorrect! - no, no, people who disagree with you on fundamental issues cannot be genuine people, they must be merely doing "a thing" to piss you off.
Okay, first of all, five stars for Evil Homer arguing that trolls aren't real. I knew I was saving them for something.
And then there's this:
You see anybody talking about politics? This is the alt-right. They live for this shit.
Homer, I'm not making this up. These are the people who always having events they call "The Triggering." Milo Yiaiofjniujhqeufrhq90ih4r981hr@#uum was in Time Magazine talking about about the important work of pissing people off. Pretty much everytime I read about Milo Yiaiofjniujhqeufrhq90ih4r981hr@#uum he's talking about Milo Yiaiofjniujhqeufrhq90ih4r981hr@#uum, occasionally tossing off meaningless bumper sticker bromides like "Feminism is a cancer", which, I'm guessing, is supposed to be some kind of metaphor? Or maybe not?
Here in LA this has every drunk women's studies major I've ever met and every blonde drama queen. I guess drama like this nets a couple stars.
The woman who introduces the video is just as horrible as the perpetually offended anti-hula Lyft passenger.
The motivation for getting the guy re-hired is less about the guy and more about how blondie doesn't like "those people" ("left with SJW" types). Zero points for vindictive motivations.
What principle are you operating from, Mr Gmork?
If a video was introduced by a woman who, despite having demonstrably furthered the cause of justice, made it known that she "did not like racist right-wing types", would you still say award zero points for vindictive motivations?
Also, what do you feel is so wrong with "not liking" "left wing SJW types"? Given the behavior of the woman in the car, I would hope that everyone - whether they consider themselves left-wing, right-wing, or independently-minded - would be not just willing, but EAGER to repudiate and distance themselves from the woman's behavior.
Why fault Ms Southern for simply speaking the truth? A truth which you yourself - I hope - would happily agree with?
"The other side is just as bad" is the more polite variant of SolRo's "I don't give a shit"
Homer, just shut the fuck up. Tired of your obtuse gimmicks.
i could have sworn laura southern was featured on here before
|Monkey Napoleon |
My stars, and why I voted it out of the hopper, are for the list of people who downvoted it in the hopper and imagining their reasons for doing so.
|Two Jar Slave |
What an ignorant bully.
That said, what do you guys think about hawaiian bobblehead dolls? Are they in fact annoying caricatures?
My mother-in-law gave me one as a present. I keep it in my study because it is appropriately obnoxious.
John Holmes Motherfucker
People act like assholes because they're assholes.
The issue here isn't an ideology, it's a pathology. It's not ideology that makes Lauren Southern, or the woman in the car, or Milo Yiannopoulos the way they are. Ideology is the means that an immature narcissist without regard for others uses to act out. These people all about how important their feelings are, and how unimportant other people's feelings are. They have more in common with each other than with your average Democrat or Republican.
When you say "SJW", I'm pretty much guaranteed to not care about what you say next. Ditto for when you say "MICROAGGRESSION".
Hi John, what do you think about the ongoing DC Leaks scandal?
These extreme ideologies (on whichever side you'd like to pick) provide more opportunities to be assholes. Assholes are attracted to them. Without the ideology, there's no way for her to be an asshole here.
|Caminante Nocturno |
Someone poured a vat of mutagen on a Julie Brown song and it came to life.
|Scrotum H. Vainglorious |
Nice fucking tits.
this is a reason i'm often rather ashamed to support social justice.
i've entered into dialogue with people about micro-aggressions before. i'm not ashamed. but i also don't expect them to do whatever i tell them. idunno.
also, people don't understand that recording somebody's license plate is more or less meaningless. there was federal legislation passed during the clinton administration that disallows any sort of information release based on license plate. the only information one can legally obtain is the make, model and color of the car... which, since you're already driving on a public street, people already know.
i don't even know how to rate this.
A big part of why I quit Facebook a few years ago is that I realized seeing the unbelievable bullshit that was showing up in my feed under the auspices of "progressivism" and "social justice" (both of which are vague concepts I generally support in their nuanced, non-social-media forms) was actually making me start to drift right.
It's really frustrating and is the main reason why the left seems to always shit their pants in the home stretch and I'm glad I'm not seeing what the Bernie or Bust types are saying right about now.
|The Mothership |
Enjoyable on every level there is. 5 POE stars.
Driver tries to do his job and be nice. He has as hulu girl bobblehead on his dashboard.
Passenger proceeds to be abrasive, insulting, at one point tries to yank the hulu girl bobblehead off his dashboard (did I hear that right?) judges him, threatens his livelihood, uses every buzzword assigned to stereotypical Tumblr users like a robot trapped in a logic loop, and by the end has transformed herself into the leftist cartoon character from "God's Not Dead," which up until I saw this video thought was impossible for a human being unless they were quoting "God's Not Dead."
Driver continues trying to be nice and do his job. After dropping her off he floors it the fuck out of there. He had a hulu girl bobblehead on his dashboard.
What's the SVU episode going to be like?
I don't know how I feel about this. The driver probably should have driven everyone off a bridge.
Driver's name is Hugh Mongous
|John Holmes Motherfucker |
>>Also, what do you feel is so wrong with "not liking" "left wing SJW types"? Given the behavior of the woman in the car, I would hope that everyone - whether they consider themselves left-wing, right-wing, or independently-minded - would be not just willing, but EAGER to repudiate and distance themselves from the woman's behavior.
I think you've answered you own question. If all political types would repudiate this behavior, then why is her behavior being associated with a political type?
>> If all political types would repudiate this behavior, then why is her behavior being associated with a political type?
That's a good question, John, you tell me.
I'm not even sure what "political type" you chose to file Ms Southern under, let alone the point you are trying to get at - so would kindly tell me a) what exactly this "type" is, b) if you really and truly believe "her type" is the only one still willing to repudiate Lyft Passenger's behavior, and c) if so, then how could we possibly have come to this point, that "her type" is the only sensible one left?
(feel free to cite DC Leaks in your reply to .c.)
John Holmes Motherfucker
/If only there was some way you could find out more about Lauren Southern, Scientists believe that in the near future, you'll be able to find this kind of information by accessing a computer linked to a etwork of interconnected computers, an "internet", if you will.
I'm asking you. You have thoughts and opinions about this matter, and until I know what these thoughts of yours ARE, I have no possibly way of knowing if "what you think is going in" is indeed an accurate reflection of reality, and thus, no way of properly evaluating your claims.
Again, MY thought is pretty straightforward: what Ms Southern says in this video is reasonable. It is so reasonable, and so self-evident, that I am confident most viewers would readily agree with her arguments and be happy to distance themselves from The Passenger's abusive, histrionic behavior.
You say that is not the case. You claim that only Ms Southern's "type of people" are reasonable. To me, this comes as a bit of a shock. Please walk me through your thought-process.
I mean, if you REALLY want me to, I could try to make assumptions and put words in your mouth. Yes, yes, I could certainly do *that*.
But honestly, I don't really want that - and I really don't think you want that, either.
John Holmes Motherfucker
>>I mean, if you REALLY want me to, I could try to make assumptions and put words in your mouth. Yes, yes, I could certainly do *that*.
Yes, yes, you certainly could. It's what you always do, but the pain in the ass is that you expect me to work for it.
>>But honestly, I don't really want that - and I really don't think you want that, either.
It might be more efficient. Why not eliminate the middle man?
Well, I expect you to think for yourself. I myself wouldn't call that "work" - thinking is way too fun to be work! - but sure, if that's the way you want it, "work for it" John.
What is Ms Southern's "political type", and why, in your opinion, is her type the only one currently willing to be sensible?
But OK, if you really want me to cut out the middle man (i.e. John Holmes' brain), then here is what you think:
You don't think.
You, Mr Holmes, are driven primarily by well-conditioned groupthink and half-formed prejudices. Clearly, for whatever reason, you have begun to associate your own personal identity with the term "SJW"; as a result, you view the world as a fight between SJWs and non-SJWs, as a fight between yourself and everyone not like you. Because one of these two groups will inevitably kill the other (or so you believe), then as soon as another person mentions the term "SJW" in anything other than a flattering light, up go your defenses and out goes your capacity for reason.
__And that's it. That. Is. It. I don't think you know who Laura Southern is, and half the time, I don't even think you know what you're saying until well after the words exit your head.__ You are a man operating on pure instinct, and I think that your inability to justify any of the claims you that make, your inability to argue any of the cases you propose, is pretty strong evidence in favor of this interpretation. I mean, it's not that you don't have enough TIME to think - you are spending FAR more time dodging questions, than you would have otherwise spent had you simply rationally explained your thoughts in the first place. Rather, it's that you won't think, or can't think, or even simply do not wish to admit that you type without, first, thinking things through.
And I don't believe this is your fault, either. I don't believe it's just you. Duckspeaking is an incredibly common way of engaging with the world these days, and you yourself are not by nature an idiot, despite present evidence to the contrary. Rather, I believe that you are a victim - I believe that you have been intentionally dumbed down, by TV, by movies, by the school system you grew up with, and that this "dumbing-down of Mr Holmes" was set in motion in order to make you both more tractable and more profitable for the ruling classes. I think your life is filled with Ghostbusters and SJWs and darkweb boogiemen who make fun of Hillary, because the system wants you focused on those things, and not on Haiti, Syria, DCLeaks, etc.
But you know the questions; feel free to prove me wrong.
|John Holmes Motherfucker |
God, just getting worse and worse with the reply button.
I can't believe people like this are real.
That includes the woman who posted the video and does the bookend commentary, too.
|Spaceman Africa |
The biggest irony of this is that this woman is a porn site owner.
I don't know which woman you're referring to, but either way, how is that at all ironic.
Because it's like a bunch of forks when all you need is some rain.
This lady positions herself as some woke anti-racist feminist when she runs a fucking 'alt-porn' website as well manages a social media startup website. No doubt she is wealthy but is keen on harassing some working class Lyft driver.
I'm completely amazed that the SJW crowd here are so hesitant to call out a clearly fucking crazy and horrible chick as horrible. "But but but, the other girl you don't care about is really bad in some other stuff as well!"
John Holmes Motherfucker
Do you think that perhaps some of this so-called "hesitation" springs from the fact that it's completely obvious how terrioble she is,. , even without the Lauren Southern heavy handed commentary, and therefore the only real reason to elaborate on it is because you seem to expect it of us?
But, in case you missed it, I did say this:
>>Any man who calls himself a feminist and has any capacity for independent thought is going to have horrible encounters with sanctimonious liberal assholes like this fucking cunt with her criminally stupid problem with bobble heads.
How's that? This may be the first time I ever called a woman a cunt in 12 years of POE. It'll have to do.
The worst thing about alt-right trolls is that they perpetuate the behaviour they're supposed to be against. They insulate obnoxious liberals from criticism from other liberals, and it's clearly stupid to think that, for example, harassing black actresses on the internet is going to is end political correctness. Any idiot will tell will tell you it's going to have the opposite effect. But they don't care. I honestly think they want to perpetuate the behavior so they can keep right on seeking attention.
Yes, we've seen Lauren Southern before. She IS every bit as obnoxious, and it IS a valid point that the video DOESN'T make, so making it isn't redundant.
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